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The question triggers an old LaTeX reflex; If the layout tweak or typograph= y tune turns out to be very difficult to accomplish with LaTeX (including a= ll the mainstream add-ons), then the reason could be that you ask for somet= hing which most typographers consider to be a really bad idea. Maybe I use these options incorrectly, but aren't plain parentheses, '()', = and footnotes, the traditional means for adding stuff which the reader can = skip? The usual recommendation is to avoid using these tools too much, sinc= e they distract. This said, I would like to mention some old-fashioned typography used in (a= reprint of) the sixth edition of "Hydrodynamics" by sir Horace Lamb. Some stretches of the text in it are printed with smaller font size than th= e bulk. First I thought these stretches contained background information, e= laborations on nitty gritty details, or something of this kind. As this the= ory wasn't supported by the contents of these harder to read sections, I st= ruggled to come up with a good explanation. My current guess is that this book was produced so long ago that the publis= her and author could not afford the luxury of producing new page breaks for= the later editions of the book. In order to fit longer explanations into t= he narrative, the text just had to shrink a bit. The first edition was publ= ished 1879, the sixth 1932, and Knuth was born 5 years later. Another unusual feature is that the book makes do without figure and table = numbers and captions. Each table and figure has been placed "in context", a= nd you will just have to read the text to learn about them. Cheers Rasmus