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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Spam-Score: 0.07 X-Spam-Score: 0.07 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 2E2D9A881 X-Migadu-Scanner: mx0.migadu.com X-TUID: cjyYWlTDHRrg On 10/09/2023 23:52, Ihor Radchenko wrote: > Max Nikulin writes: > >> On 09/09/2023 16:11, Ihor Radchenko wrote: >>> I am not sure if making a breaking change to public constant is the best >>> approach. >>> What about simply adding an extra entry: >>> ("de" ....) >>> ("de-de" ) >> >> Ideally it should not be a public constant. Values should be accessed >> using a helper that returns "de" value for "de-de", "de-ch", "de-it" >> without copies, unless a more specific key is defined as it is done for >> de-at. > > It is already a public constant. And I see no strong reason to change > this (strong enough to justify breaking change). Every piece of code accessing this public constant must implement fallback from e.g. "de-ch" (or de_CH) to "de". Or to "en" for an unsupported language. To achieve consistent behavior it is better to provide a helper function. >> I have a hope that properties may be generated from CLDR data, LaTeX >> babel .ini files, etc. However it should be possible to override >> specific properties. > > For context, I plan to provide a global language-identifier alist that > will link human-readable language names to abbreviations like "de", > "de-de", etc. This languange-region identifiers may be written in different way (dash/underscore, case), but they are used specify POSIX locale LANG, LC_* and extensions like LANGUAGE, so in some cases human friendly names may be less convenient. > Thus, auto-generating the alist may be not reliable. At least some > manual overseeing may be needed. Of course, some overrides may be necessary. E.g. it was decided to use French inner quotes different from CLDR. > Though I am not sure if we can easily handle tricky > cases like weird installation directory for TeXLive or MikTeX. kpsewhich babel-de.ini /usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/generic/babel/locale/de/babel-de.ini