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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1680694932; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=tpQvZR+GKWeiy0tspSKyL6CLotIN1KeIShIuWDZg/muvZAxf96Ee2/4rRYYpy1dzwYzpXw 7V1OunWoJaju1Kb+PPZkWEnvM0DULM1B6pHSlq13WF8730ES7/AbwOX9/k96D/tJclrO1+ gv/suQA/NWxKgg1pW5wIl6v1i+MMwhlpS0w7JuGvi7yqwnCVNWe9SjBzumJ0jPmLgrrgRf ZPDwPJM3YRsmwcCBaKpa3Eqbli6VVRkZrSQrX+iPh9Vj6haEVArhyaiKrr2eyE+ckY0rXA 5Hk8d5357wjC82qKZM8GZk8FZNS7TQoRt1E/rJg5Jgsxg8ot0UgW6OLJzGW86g== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1680694932; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=K6SlB7wnha00ODHQuAcYYlWfmGRveolFQHE8AWNKKXg=; b=cy8toO7kIdSXL3cNFRbZwTRr3dRWD3j39syD+LWjNszmi8ydva/XiUXJ8qXcvHl8tpOniC JQE8+fN2tA4h4oJ/KpnJn3C6zNBbHlwxBQm/DuUXfB1NQKfP2ieDsYV4hgpANEkJeqIIoO yF+TRK4r4sASxSt0kdAEV+EH8NsNgQ4QRwXdIQDN5mwvJWQjT1tpvARhbv5S0YWVyGHboT PSsK+1TOZ3Sn3d5pAJiBKQZIfDPpOgNzw2I4VTTZ8KfMBxcORdX8rAklveLnsn5RWYKG6J yNWLIz+Z4ORWrZOQgRrXkqzNvT9FyFipXGHXuxC/ZVsw4FxoOKyhAUFWDx68Sg== Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.42 X-Spam-Score: -2.42 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: C35423776D X-TUID: WsKJeGjGq0+z Ihor, I am sorry, but I sent this message off-list at first. On 04/04/2023 20:29, Ihor Radchenko wrote: > > Sure. Anything Emacs devs can act on. If you can prove that the problem > is in Emacs source code, we can report it in > https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=59882 and let Emacs devs > fix things. I do not expect any result that may be useful for Emacs dev. I hope, the code added to emacs-29 branch fixes the issue. Outcome may be helpful for choosing better variant of `org-assert-version' and for demystifying causes why you can not reproduce it in gentoo. > This looks like > https://orgmode.org/list/jwvsfkv5s7l.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org I have not looked into make rules used in Emacs source tree, but I expect it is another issue. I do not like that elisp can not generate list of dependencies during compilation similar to "gcc -MD". Otherwise I do not see a way to implement incremental rebuild if stale .elc files are preferred to updated .el sources by `require'. > But Emacs >26 + package-install specifically arranges unloading the > older version of the library. What changes are you writing about? I mean `package--reload-previously-loaded' https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=59882#71 9dfd945a2c2 2021-11-07 01:28:47 +0100 dickmao: Fix byte compilation of package built-ins and I do not see similar changes even in Emacs-28.