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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 44935@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -0.78 X-Scanner: ns3122888.ip-94-23-21.eu Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail (headers rsa verify failed) header.d=gmx.net header.s=badeba3b8450 header.b=etfPfOg7; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-TUID: hRDWwZuSlN3Q > Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 6:22 PM > From: "Jean Louis" > To: daniela-spit@gmx.it > Cc: "Eli Zaretskii" , 44935@debbugs.gnu.org > Subject: Re: bug#44935: Emacs inserts hardwired org-agenda-files variabl= e, overwriting user options > > * daniela-spit@gmx.it [2020-11-29 20:02]: > > Correct, everything tells you it is part of Emacs. Then one sends a r= eport and people > > start sending in in a long winded road to find the appropriate > > channel. > > We can consider those features of reporting bugs still in > development. I never knew since recently that there are various > reporting bug functions. You can discover it easier by using > completion such as ivy package. For new users? Will never happen. Put the mailing lists in the damn webpag= e, categorising them if necessary, but having them so anybody can see them. Furthermore, Org is so integrated in Emacs that a large part of the user community would not be in a position to determine whether it is a problem of Emacs or Org. > There is: > > - report-calc-bug > - calc-report-bug > - c-submit-bug-report > - TeX-submit-bug-report > - org and Emacs maybe others > > > You look at "Emacs Asking for help" and "Emacs Reporting bugs" and you= get only two things > > help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org and bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org. Have been following= discussions here > > and people herd together telling others they are doing everything back= wards. And insisting > > everything is fine, makes serious people not happy at all. I do not w= ant to hurt anyone, > > but there exists a wall between maintainers and users who basically us= e Gnu Tools to do > > something else. > > Users could assign to themselves specific level such as Beginner, > Intermediate, Advance and God. God does not exist, get used to it! Look, if you put the various lists th= ere, people would use them. Making things difficult only wakes people give Ema= cs the finger rather than concluding the developers are smart. Does this not bot= her Gnu Admins? > Beginner would be welcomed to submit bugs and kindly explained that > there exists specialized mailing list with more people able to help > it. > > Intermediate user would be simply told to go somewhere else. > > Advanced user would be anyway submitting patches and be active in > Emacs development, so there would be no problem with this level. > > God would never tell anything to anybody just as what is usual that > God does, I guess M-x something... As long as developers continue thinking they are gods. they will get no respect. Grow up and do it quick!