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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" , emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1620696195; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=eqoiCbQPnYtPI3PeMBZjrHGMrY7ER3M6V299JLvAD7w=; b=A6fAwEzWnqYpY7JVdQoM4oyILjQYfmUOfZiJkuL9szotHziLGYEQsOZFfBlYPJ83gIRxqI 3Bmy/h/tAfmAlJRIpxo/RP+ZBbDrtp7se0NWaj7NajlLwZFsk400Eu29TNPhV7iwkGlHwi Y3r2KLB4mkQWpvW1dXUOC1iK4y/Li6Yia7YFvsepKy+AHbl4DgermJMeYYg+0pkuxuODgr ku0iXNPTDUo5n3VVCaGukLnP0uzlmC/DJxkI3+ketbqgimKJ41KCXaGBxo4UetIUJDiZk+ 9DfeVdfyjqneWk9+sF/FP3CsTV5y3J/k1tY08ARI988t1s2htSGqLVsUioq7EA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1620696195; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=MkIrhnhqU0ZeOTuF5ai7HAphk0n+kvcdllM9zkC+R0bMEiYhMZ90YOv5mspw8WanlfmADE 8tprRjZ2+nwVpd5Qevu8HyRSp2NJbKXTGGjenWHDU+B5yoc+4baS8Yk3PBaofwNtxVeFZg hV8DFLXjfjD69YHKGGfxlMHZdIcKxp4AUC5Fa6cmeL2QJnzW3olps2W3D3SwWxRXncyumT wdMRIlF4zqoJkWCiCF8nensK85Q0AGhggQSCn0j0f4PL9OtrLFpRez/R/ZHRgRshVzJDhR C7bCb2rTuzZuLiJxMjy67bW//9s8PzPMG5UiobGG9N5+WM7DEDbjWHLO2YVzZQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmx.net header.s=badeba3b8450 header.b=AyWcObor; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), DKIM not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=gmx.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -0.55 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmx.net header.s=badeba3b8450 header.b=AyWcObor; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), DKIM not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=gmx.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: A02A918B3D X-Spam-Score: -0.55 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: UoCxMeLLoRuq If org-mode wants to support ditaa, it is a requirement to inform the user = how to get the software and install it=2E Moving into into a separate repository= without appropriately telling the user introduces the problem that users will miss= out on free software that they would otherwise have used=2E Using org should = not be made=20 more difficult than it already is=2E=20 =20 > Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 8:49 AM > From: "Arthur Miller" > To: "Dr=2E Arne Babenhauserheide" > Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu=2Eorg > Subject: Re: The fate of ditaa=2Ejar (9=2E4=2E5=2E) > > "Dr=2E Arne Babenhauserheide" writes: >=20 > > Russell Adams writes: > > > >> On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 02:28:57PM +0300, Jarmo Hurri wrote: > >>> I pulled the latest master and noticed that contrib has been moved i= nto > >>> a separate repository=2E I also cloned this contrib repository, but = can > >>> not find the file > >>> > >>> scripts/ditaa=2Ejar > >>> > >>> in the repo=2E In fact, there is no directory scripts in the repo=2E > >> > >> I actually never considered this might be packaged with Org=2E I alwa= ys > >> thought I had to install it separately, like my Latex distribution or > >> PlantUML=2E > > > > Bundling this makes ditaa code blocks just work=2E Otherwise they won= =E2=80=99t > > work on every org-install=2E >=20 > The user still needs a Java runtime installed on his/her compute, so > bundling ditaa=2Ejar gives no guarantee at all that ditaa blocks will ju= st > work on every org-install=2E >=20 > Instead a less informaed user, not used to run java programs, might be > left with a not working application that fails silently or to the user > incomprehensible error message=2E >=20 > Better to point user to ditaa's sources/releases and inform it is > optional with org=2E That way non-informed user will have to install jav= a > and ditaa and will at least have an idea where to look when things go wr= ong=2E >=20 >