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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 44935@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -0.78 X-Scanner: ns3122888.ip-94-23-21.eu Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail (headers rsa verify failed) header.d=gmx.net header.s=badeba3b8450 header.b=RbARwhtV; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-TUID: GUZKU0ZZxFPF Correct, everything tells you it is part of Emacs. Then one sends a repor= t and people start sending in in a long winded road to find the appropriate channel. You look at "Emacs Asking for help" and "Emacs Reporting bugs" and you get= only two things help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org and bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org. Have been following dis= cussions here and people herd together telling others they are doing everything backward= s. And insisting everything is fine, makes serious people not happy at all. I do not want = to hurt anyone, but there exists a wall between maintainers and users who basically use Gn= u Tools to do something else. > Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 5:29 PM > From: "Jean Louis" > To: "Eli Zaretskii" > Cc: daniela-spit@gmx.it, 44935@debbugs.gnu.org > Subject: Re: bug#44935: Emacs inserts hardwired org-agenda-files variabl= e, overwriting user options > > * Eli Zaretskii [2020-11-29 18:08]: > > Shouldn't this be reported to the Org developers? > > We have discussed that Org is part of Emacs and users shall be at all > time welcome to report their bugs and pointers can be made how to > closer report to Org mailing list. It makes it confusing to users, and > is not logical. Org is part of Emacs so it is Emacs bug. > > While there is pointer under Org menu how to report the bug, it is not > as obvious as "Help - Report Bug". So sometimes Org bugs will arrive > here. > > Org bugs should be then simply forwarded to mailing list or tagged as > being Org so that they may be picked up by mailing list. > > I find this more mailing list manager job to properly forward bugs. > > For Org one can submit {M-x org-submit-bug-report RET} > > For this bug, I do not think it is bug. Isn't it for all variables > like that that when they are customized by user on top of the init > file that they customization during the session will overwrite the > customizations set by user on top of the init file? > > If this is so how I think, then users who do not want Emacs to > overwrite their customization in init file should not use the > customize for those variables. Then the user's customization will take > effect. > > I do not see differences here with org-agenda. > > Are there any? >