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From: Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com>
To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Getting X selection reliably (Re: idea for capture anywhere in x)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2022 18:03:22 +0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <tkqits$jjt$1@ciao.gmane.io> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <875yfj8nf7.fsf@localhost>

On 13/11/2022 11:54, Ihor Radchenko wrote:
> Max Nikulin writes:
>> On 26/10/2022 11:58, Ihor Radchenko wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes. From org-capture-templates docstring:
>>>
>>>     %x          Content of the X clipboard.
>>
>> Ihor, I am afraid there are a couple of pitfalls with "%x" for Samuel
>> since he prefers to keep Emacs hidden so can not check result.
>>
>> 1. If something goes wrong, e.g. some application does not put
>> highlighted text to PRIMARY selection then wrong source (CLIPBOARD) or
>> empty string may be silently captured. I would prefer explicit source
>> however it will not protect against stale selection from the same source.
>>
>> Simulate empty selection:
>> echo | xsel -bi ; echo | xsel -i ; killall xsel
> 
> I am unsure what can be done here. AFAIU, Org just follows the %x
> description. Nothing wrong on Org side.
> 
> The best we can do is alternative %?? that will do something more
> reliable. But I am unsure what it can be.

Depending of particular capture template (even with :immediate-finish t) 
empty selection may or may not be an error. In Samuel's case it is an 
error. Unfortunately, while the template is processed, signaled errors 
are caught and their text is inserted into the text. That is why in my 
example I put checks outside of `org-capture'.

We may:
- Add a capture template option that allows errors to pass through to 
the caller. Then a user may add %(...) expression with all necessary checks.
- Add a warning note to "%x" or :immediate-finish docs to make users 
aware of possible pitfall.

>> 2. Jean pointed out that Emacs ignores X selection if it does not have
>> an X frame. It was almost buried in the haystack of "SQL instead of Org"
>> noise. It happens if Emacs is running as a daemon. I am unsure which way
>> Samuel starts Emacs (xinit, systemd user session, systemd socket
>> activation, manually, etc.)
> 
> May we modify org-get-x-clipboard adding
> (server-select-display (getenv \"DISPLAY\")) ?
> Will it be enough?

It will work for most of users, however sometimes it is incorrect. There 
are a number of options that should have higher priority than emacs 
server DISPLAY environment
- emacsclient -display command line option,
- emacsclient process DISPLAY environment,
- emacs -display server argument.

I have no idea how to get "emacs -display" argument and I need to look 
into emacsclient source and server.el to figure out which way client's 
display argument is passed to the server process.



  reply	other threads:[~2022-11-13 11:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-09-08  4:22 idea for capture anywhere in x Samuel Wales
2020-09-08  5:01 ` Tim Cross
2020-09-08  5:05   ` Samuel Wales
2020-09-08  5:21     ` Tim Cross
2020-09-08  7:18       ` Maxim Nikulin
2020-09-08  8:03         ` Diego Zamboni
2020-09-08 16:08           ` Maxim Nikulin
2020-09-08  5:39     ` Maxim Nikulin
2020-09-08 22:40       ` Samuel Wales
2020-09-09  4:52         ` Maxim Nikulin
2020-09-10 14:23           ` Maxim Nikulin
2020-09-12  8:48             ` Nick Econopouly
2022-06-10  2:35               ` Samuel Wales
2022-06-10  9:59                 ` Charles Philip Chan
2022-06-11  4:11                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-06-13  7:46                 ` Max Nikulin
2022-06-13  9:10                 ` Michal Politowski
2022-06-13 10:04                   ` Max Nikulin
2022-06-13 14:02                     ` Michal Politowski
2022-10-12  1:09                       ` Samuel Wales
2022-10-09 14:47                 ` Jean Louis
2022-10-09 16:40                   ` Max Nikulin
2022-10-09 17:08                     ` Jean Louis
2022-10-10 17:16                       ` Max Nikulin
2022-10-10 22:06                         ` Jean Louis
2022-10-11  9:11                           ` Juan Manuel Macías
2022-10-12  1:09                             ` Samuel Wales
2022-10-15  3:40                               ` Max Nikulin
2022-10-26  4:40                                 ` Samuel Wales
2022-10-26  4:58                                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-10-26  5:05                                     ` Samuel Wales
2022-10-26  6:05                                       ` desktop notifications (Re: idea for capture anywhere in x) Max Nikulin
2022-10-26  6:22                                         ` Samuel Wales
2022-10-26  7:41                                           ` Max Nikulin
2022-10-26  8:07                                             ` Samuel Wales
2022-10-26  8:29                                               ` Max Nikulin
2022-10-27  6:33                                     ` Getting X selection reliably " Max Nikulin
2022-10-28  4:59                                       ` Samuel Wales
2022-10-28  5:16                                         ` Max Nikulin
2022-10-28  8:39                                           ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2022-10-28 16:38                                             ` Max Nikulin
2022-10-28 23:07                                               ` Samuel Wales
2022-10-29  3:21                                                 ` Max Nikulin
2022-10-29  2:59                                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-10-29  3:30                                             ` Max Nikulin
2022-10-29  6:03                                               ` Samuel Wales
2022-10-29  7:33                                                 ` Max Nikulin
2022-10-29 22:33                                                 ` Samuel Wales
2022-10-29  4:50                                             ` Samuel Wales
2022-10-29  4:59                                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-10-29  7:44                                                 ` desktop notifications " Max Nikulin
2022-10-29 23:07                                                   ` Samuel Wales
2022-10-30  4:49                                                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-11-13  4:54                                       ` Getting X selection reliably " Ihor Radchenko
2022-11-13 11:03                                         ` Max Nikulin [this message]
2022-11-14  2:06                                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-11-16  4:03                                             ` Samuel Wales
2022-11-16 16:46                                               ` Debugging firefox extension " Max Nikulin
2022-11-17  3:16                                                 ` Samuel Wales
2022-11-17  9:42                                                   ` Jean Louis
2022-11-17 16:12                                                   ` Max Nikulin
2022-11-17  7:18                                               ` Getting X selection reliably " Jean Louis
2022-11-17 15:30                                                 ` Reliability of org-protocol browser extensions Max Nikulin
2022-12-04  5:21                                             ` Getting X selection reliably (Re: idea for capture anywhere in x) Max Nikulin
2022-10-12 17:16                           ` idea for capture anywhere in x Max Nikulin
2022-10-12 20:06                             ` Jean Louis
2020-09-09  8:40     ` Russell Adams
2020-09-09 21:11       ` Samuel Wales
2020-09-09  1:07 ` Ihor Radchenko

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