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From: Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com>
To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSSION] Refactoring fontification system
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2022 22:31:09 +0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <t7t3o3$ink$1@ciao.gmane.io> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+G3_PPYmiiwHYKkgiJDZQ=o7DvaG=0G3aQnPHSBKEMZsOyG-g@mail.gmail.com>

On 08/06/2022 11:23, Tom Gillespie wrote:
>> As for lang parameter support in example blocks, would you mind creating
>> a separate feature request thread? Extending export blocks export will
>> require changing in parser syntax and thus should be discussed carefully
>> in a separate thread.
> I would strongly caution against allowing an optional #+begin_example lang
> syntax. It will lead to extreme confusion, even when users know to use org-lint.
> The reason for this is that example blocks do not have (and frankly should not
> have) full org-babel support. Babel is already complex enough as is without
> having to explain to a user that yes they can noweb an example block into
> a src block, but that they cannot noweb a source block into an example block.

My expectation is that treating #+begin_example almost as #+begin_src 
will simplify code. E.g. `org-latex-src-block' has a fallback to plain 
\begin{verbatim} if language is unknown or is not specified, so it may 
handle examples as well. The difference is that for #+begin_example 
evaluation and noweb are disabled, either it is hardcoded (my 
preference) or default values for :noweb and :eval header argument are 

On 09/06/2022 12:37, Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez wrote:
> OK, just to add to the discussion. The original intent of my message was
> to give _me_ control over what I want to colour, not delegating that to
> the fontifying engine in Emacs.
> I need limited and controlled colouring for text-books and lab manuals
> where colouring elements of a listing goes against the publishing
> standards. I only need custom colouring to "emulate" terminal output,
> not for the code as such. And I could do that with the #+ATTR: if supported.

Fontification and an attribute to specify an option for environment are 
independent features. My point is that if example and src blocks reused 
the same code than it would be enough to implement :options attribute 
(similar to #+begin_quote) once and both types of blocks would be more 

If #+begin_example becomes more dumb, unsure if it is reasonable to 
allow to generate "\begin{verbatim}[commandchars=\\\{\}]" for example 
block but not for source blocks.

Side note: I can not say that #+begin_example with language is widely 
used, but one case may be found in org-manual.org and a dozen in worg.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-06-09 17:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-11-19 14:12 [DISCUSSION] Refactoring fontification system Ihor Radchenko
2021-11-19 14:18 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-11-19 16:09 ` Tim Cross
2021-11-24 22:03 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2022-06-03  9:45 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-06-03 20:37   ` Ted Reed via General discussions about Org-mode.
2022-06-04 13:45     ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-06-04 23:28       ` Ted Reed via General discussions about Org-mode.
2022-06-03 21:38   ` Tim Cross
2022-06-07 16:48   ` Max Nikulin
2022-06-08  2:02     ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-06-08  4:23       ` Tom Gillespie
2022-06-08  6:35         ` Tim Cross
2022-06-09 15:31         ` Max Nikulin [this message]
2022-06-10  2:06           ` [PATCH] #+begin_example lang used in manual and worg (was: [DISCUSSION] Refactoring fontification system) Ihor Radchenko
2022-06-15  3:40             ` Max Nikulin
2022-06-16 12:31               ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-06-16 12:33               ` [BUG] Unescaped #+ lines in WORG example blocks (was: [PATCH] #+begin_example lang used in manual and worg (was: [DISCUSSION] Refactoring fontification system)) Ihor Radchenko
2022-06-16 16:33                 ` Tim Cross
2024-04-15 13:44                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-06-16 15:08       ` [DISCUSSION] Refactoring fontification system Max Nikulin
2022-06-08  6:52   ` Phil Estival
2023-05-30 11:25   ` [RFC] Refactoring org-element API (was: [DISCUSSION] Refactoring fontification system) Ihor Radchenko
2023-05-30 11:32     ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-05-30 15:00     ` [RFC] Refactoring org-element API Stefan Nobis
2023-05-31  8:57       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-06-23 12:20         ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-06-30 13:53           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-01 11:44     ` [RFC] Refactoring org-element API (was: [DISCUSSION] Refactoring fontification system) Ihor Radchenko

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