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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1648228288; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=4yBUkzwqERYIwe0HmjsNCCIJCY8pIYSd7uv4cApkPzk=; b=WndYjFn0uWV9wutUYUraPzazJU9Ji8xq0eSYqnr3ZvZsMcm49748Oglub7VQq9ifh6bdOP Kz+MkMWXedBLm/p+EVzO3sCUkhAwZjKCXkW9pgFgh17NlxG7/whwqJS5p1WwYzbsLeZzPP 5A+2ciKOYLwr9fPuWP275VLcK8EMMo1dnHR3X9XjnPPCsrWzB+oxaPghfkhZt5/kUMxVpn SYBXqkVRoiJ/HKh7FIyfRGTjyINsu8xuz6atBSoQaFe/C0x0SVIva17orMv+odLOyk0MKF l+Bg27feIKuXOKKo2u5O6CNgCG6uwCDkQg7iHR4jye1IGu2IAbhJvYJWNR7yIw== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1648228288; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=LB24WwxLuI2vBIL1Z7MxyMp4OqwBevd+dKX/3dKbidN855Z9JbikxDvjbdE7RPvIYxAYdY PIaLYqd5wyTGIO5xjK0l0+qHN09y3IRxbZHVO3MjS/5BbPyYTuj1tI5NWtDeiDoX1XK8L2 t8j80qkj46J6NaM/ihn+oW1MfiZ0rJwsFpdA+iHmIZ6/1WYS5emTViF7VBUB/H9ODLn1Io 04lioF2L1ZIworlu0uCrPcaYROyo75J4Xc8ZMCAdozXZduXw8ScgyTEskENUFeULjeRwO/ ECb8OqiZVdGqUKvjIkaBS1AJvL/Lo9vgNWslf9kXCX4vHy2f74hJvD/m6wXPoA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: 2.62 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: DC05F2ECCF X-Spam-Score: 2.62 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: LvYjXcUBIWja On 21/03/2022 18:51, John Kitchin wrote: > > citenum and bibentry are the only two I am not sure have a CSL analog. I read your messages once more and I should say that I feel some disagreement of this one (I removed most of it) and the earlier and longer one from Sun, 20 Mar 2022 20:31:29 -0400 https://list.orgmode.org/m2sfrc149c.fsf@andrew.cmu.edu I admit that org-ref is carefully tuned to your workflow. I hope, it is possible to left aside decomposition of org-cite into modules for some time. Let's assume org-cite with natbib backend for citations and org-ref for cross-references. It seems, a couple of missed styles currently is not a problem due to the defcustom for the mapping. Are there still any technical limitations that prevent getting in the exported LaTeX file the same citation commands as for org-ref? In particular I am worrying concerning https://github.com/jkitchin/org-ref README (and the same phrase from the earlier message): > org-cite does not meet my citation and technical document publishing > needs, and it was not possible to integrate it into org-ref without > compromising those. Does it refer to exported result or to convenience of working with citations? Would it help if it were possible to choose style by its natbib command? I see that you do not like org-cite styles, but I can not figure out what are the real blockers that prevent producing documents having the same quality.