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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1648225937; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=nqaRX2N62zOTFKfehEDKPDGkQS3Zt6csRGD15Ic64Y8=; b=IwDpqH8Q/TtSrNv0t6YSAJ+4CHI/B4qEEbwNIub/Zr5rwuIEpuKZb9vawK9i+jBnK7OvCp p0l0suz3OiforbuIxmAILjBjFJGsScXhsOrGCfL2T/935+dmyz7euCSCY4rbh/PjNkNGPf wnUqz+1h1R5eVBkT/8bykNEtqnwiSm8YbxNwarh6GVrEauvEyifmkE5JkYXu1xXGxDVbYW b02TL7jsx+ZXTZCCKDVdlIJvPgMKxFZhawJ5tjMfo+OeTbgOcYi6rFqfvDaeFyHKwRV8yZ 3+yXVkzVu6HuOqYGYbQNs4qEAqijedrHamlyIvcXOZ53Gay1u+w6iYXMFwyCdw== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1648225937; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=GCuP0Vln27k29/1CU3pW2r56lv6mH3BNIwV30fTlpEbl5L5X6f+tAGt/hNjw2jAkCPYswR /JmhnS4jA/7LZLzJIRuzhzS0jr1jbMkp8TuvSu6iwhdqy3qiUE3Cs+NSy+YNB9c0dNDd+m +LxqjdFOTKL77oybV5bLXl4qvsbdsywsnIu/cbt25Qzzg4ALZaDeIOwnwPfJUekF43dUHr gt0SJ6bhigpwekDYaJmPAYxy4ZkgRUO1bsL1wIf2oKosL/pOW5FVUAFw1h+l5XXb6/9u9n sO9AOcw36keFt0mqQ/7plTWnbLCnqIAGBX3yNdtxZPtT4xlpB6WUHUSClTQtNw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: 2.62 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 4A2D33E78E X-Spam-Score: 2.62 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: XXERbX9eDmJJ On 24/03/2022 06:04, Nicolas Goaziou wrote: > Max Nikulin writes: > >> Nicolas, concerning a new thread, I have an impression that you are >> busy with over activities since you are participating in discussions >> not so frequently. So I am unsure at which moment it is appropriate to >> raise such question that otherwise may just be buried in the list >> archive. > > I don't see how my presence (or not) on the list relates to this. If > there's an idea worth a discussion, it should not be buried within > a thread. It was you who implemented org-cite and org-element parser. John chose a direct and practical way. He defined multiple link types and got the working solution. A more elegant approach would require some extension of syntax, so your opinion is really important. For cross-references it might be "[ref/style...]" in additional to "[cite/style...]" or attributes specific to links. >> Outside of Org, citations are links. > > But we're on an Org mailing list so… In respect to citations and cross-references Org is a tool to prepare documents for "outside of Org". > I think link attributes were discussed a couple of times on this ML > already. Nothing was implemented tho. I do not remember such thread during last couple of years. I will try to search deeper and maybe will start another thread. > I'm not convinced Org should generalize this to any inline object, > either, mainly because it sounds messy. Of course, if you have an > idea on the subject, please share it. > > In any case, this is another topic, neither related to citations nor to > cross-references. "pageref", "nameref", "eqref", "autoref" (see https://github.com/jkitchin/org-ref/blob/master/org-ref.org) may be values of the style attribute of a "[[name]]" link instead of link type as it is done in org-ref. >> For citations some values may be passed to specific citation backend >> overriding default value derived from style. > > In that situation, you can define a new style specific to the citation > back-end. Sometimes an ad-hoc adjustment at the particular place is more convenient than even file-local property.