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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1648055988; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=LRzQ3s7NqyU8KjpnrL1sh8bTdVXEGqu3Uuur5i1JW2U=; b=mxauR8pW/FTFS4zOboqhuyL4bIVzy9OHb2choiGeVKk0Q0YDRVsJgZQo+iU7n4u57oCDkO bIVLw3CB4ZNapt9g86IVx6HmMEhmh+q6FK2p0gSywxAMGUVpC34Eex+Ol8g06pCy1GSB83 W7ClypVYI7TvRQsfechpriduPKM/yrksNo9V8bmDrNQ9gnELa7S56mKO/JwI9L43NTinqU qiB3TU+26vdUqgfNQnK+/lzzKFGdZbjtDYsZuY7wnvdq/g2a1MS8/QDwOs8a/tAeY6wXBl 3RUTEQ6Sq4GoePr8JBLlx/5I8OX0krQFqXCyrGgLmcFbHc/VGP5IAgw1sSepOg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1648055988; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=dlOwy0gTm1BZ2PTSLbhJVfuI0Fqdv3LL53zEpWfBuS8AHLS/EUbNa0X14N82fV3dToYYk2 CxYveOc+NgglJAwOfMb5JgNWSoEwFroZ8V3jAzf7vVFb+nKK2snpBG5DhFDydpOG4AtGXd 6xda2zdmRCV9mlBscXfrwpFVsorUvL+l+k6cRZIks3yiPoZhXP3K08dtfZv+jhvTW3Q4tE RZ9TfX3O/yINL45E2KBcLHsvfFpDj4mxs/ljtZvX5iHHQx4QvkFRuHSY7v9fyEq1lZLTqa vTnwqlqhTvTKdJS1/3P5psvF3N0Hxh7qKIqpzJVMyRevlqJgUpJQ38/lpChFpQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: 2.61 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 70B5B2B9F1 X-Spam-Score: 2.61 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: j4YRQihEel3r On 23/03/2022 21:39, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: > > Finding and analyzing existing papers again raises the question of > which ones; citation practices look VERY different in chemistry than > in art history or sociology. It also raises the question of who will > do this work, and whether it's the most efficient use of their time. > And finally, your suggestion seems to assume we didn't put a lot of > research and thought into the existing mappings. I think that a working solution (Eric just have confirmed it) is a great result. I am aware that even in different areas of physics citation traditions vary. I am not trying to dispute that you invest a lot of efforts. I just consider as normal when some polishing is required after the initial release. Really exhaustive research is usually prohibitively expensive. I had a hope that it was clear from the beginning that I considered a missed style as a minor issue. My point was that it should not be unconsciously ignored. Since the message was long enough, this particular complain may remain unnoticed. I can not say that I fully agree with your decision, but I respect it. I had no intention to upset you and I beg your pardon if it happened. > Have you actually looked at the table of existing mappings? See table > 1 here (which it seems we might want to add to the manual?): > > https://blog.tecosaur.com/tmio/2021-07-31-citations.html#cite-syntax I have seen this post and I have even checked the org-cite code that the example from John's message is not covered by the existing mapping.