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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1643556574; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=nTa2QaaraXNl5LZTvmuSJ/80fSDmtr7s8FHMd50fCY8=; b=g3X/CLpfW75f27eJOhiP9smY/SimhrZfag03TzidNIKNKw/LzeWbGxEq+P8vtyniCkcDhq R4g45cGqqgxXdtBz6gx5PJOFxOoDReUjMfFL4SVSBQO+IMhKP7jUivWHCJCRa7uwuBQ4y8 S1b+R4ADjtFiuCPf9aAT3dzSddW6jmngupKKO1CHAW4bTgmOzl8zR4lUVXPmve3Tj56X+m phxr7E+yZTNOFRmogzrNtSP9UgrsbwD/FMhIKL8rGZAEGj5jkzBWz88cCTZABUjcIwm3fz Y6yHS7zfkPtGS03D8pgMWNgmRRVJvVMJ3q65/Q8YwdqrVO6AxMWCzpSr5/zqVg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1643556574; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=nfeEoDWoDRAH8GN0ok1T17mLROxPqDypphHRF4kU/VdR1TN/DN1h8qxPf/RaRURP54/z1z r8Qz8JjcWZ9Gp6ISfXPYgW+YNfYQKStwM2iilZKuzD67HZRJY/qjs9vMjM1kr5ObUEYV9Z VeJcmKxA4snVZ4Ly6cO5DgNKKCanjo539bNwaIanB/WWk1oybAMLzIKRrbw9Aj81h1mao3 9ja7qXfuFwaSwCtc7VmdLt4ENpWVzp85bjRIYFct3vaF1yOXbH6y0iGBEDzYg9XMWCW6hi u1rKi/6bPn8jlx66h0LUQ+paJqHVp/jYqc19h8h1V0uryv2vSpcVxmu0Z0giTg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.53 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 68539100C1 X-Spam-Score: -1.53 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: TiweHQCmwdx8 On 28/01/2022 23:37, Timothy wrote: > >> There is no point to discuss deprecation of $…$ and ... while usage of >> such constructs is not discouraged by the org manual > > Isn’t the point of discussing depreciation now that we’d change the manual etc. > to discourage it? πŸ˜› It is funny that nobody have checked what the manual actually states: > Text within the usual LaTeX math delimiters. To avoid conflicts with > currency specifications, single β€˜$’ characters are only recognized as > math delimiters if the enclosed text contains at most two line breaks, > is directly attached to the β€˜$’ characters with no whitespace in > between, and if the closing β€˜$’ is followed by whitespace, punctuation > or a dash. For the other delimiters, there is no such restriction, so ^^^^^^ > when in doubt, use β€˜\(...\)’ as inline math delimiters. I have no idea whether it ever worked in such way. So either the manual must be updated or a fix must be committed. False positive with the proposed patch: > Balance decreased from $10 to negative value ($-2 approximately) certainly it is more rare than $n$-th valid case. >>> If we do deprecate support for $…$, it might also be a good idea to >>> see if we can add a utility function which would make it easier for >>> people to migrate existing documents to the new/alternative syntax. For >>> the same reason it is hard to reliably parse $…$ syntax, we probably >>> can’t automate that transition, but we should be able to reduce the effort >>> required to update existing documents. > > Tim, as mentioned before I’m strongly in favour of a ~half decade transition > including utility functions to shift existing TeX constructs to LaTeX, and > adding warnings, well before dropping support. That period should be started when manual is updated. Functions updating old file to the current syntax is an interesting idea, but it assumes a copy of org-element as it was in that old org version.