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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1638969153; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=6TPlLB3W2Flf9976PztiPKO/JIsgYGQLbAnuk4FP3YY=; b=H7ZQ4UQMBMqXRUOQ/eoFf3YsEBnCGY0B6iRUiTX6bLodKfZcJhecFjIzI52X+P2ZZUMIE8 FHQVacPFUO3Kws0Oa1NqfqyrUi4pRSQUoTnjjJqKx1p+0GsNtofFgTCcpdDARRDBj3jQw1 KnjcPtxVXPnb4JMMEl0k/e/mND3yW62wsssCML4mslWqYiyfEk7AsltlTIpfwrrbTv6I3y /TCyeKDcp3WqQIsG0esxJr1Ydypri8OKtNp3vgMmdPZYBYD69hZjKCPxhmCJuphAmJ79xe dXEZ0y2PloU7msZhmMjZnvbUO847KFZr0RcYSSLqugs/RMsyZ+TlUPyeGJZH8g== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1638969153; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=dKNoW1FQrTrlT/fllZq7mFHtKCe0JNUYlIXvqp2i5pgtCnxDadFcuv166MJUMe7PRa/8VI DDZOanhjqyNwdqCIbm2WGPBEJqiKEg997fgj2QIzbElOIxPA54dfLYSKx70TM+97xmkA9e 7/6L6QN/AsMl1UTLtN87vqs/lfc6cPBJVQUBP3PmwZ3FrC9QJ0gMDY2fZjbGyT1RGi57PA DZApizb3ResqShHyE/QS0aImbwVCYDEWxeUeD6pLxjgvPBR5S8eRuH7vGOKYdXNY34mrpw qpa0FYVnVeW71Eei0OeFq+O5SrYxrPVXE39ID+U7liyO9nm14zcK5TcfaxmMRg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.35 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: B2D2535715 X-Spam-Score: -2.35 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: TAFqFBx+GcTB On 06/12/2021 22:45, Juan Manuel Macías wrote: > > I understand that with this method the emphases could be nested, which > it seems also very productive. I like it. > > I would suggest, however, not to use the term 'italics', since is a > 'typographic' term, but a term that is agnostic of format and > typography, something like as 'emphasis' or 'emph'. For example, in a > format agnostic environment like Org, which is concerned only with > structure, an emphasis is always an emphasis. But in a typographic > environment that emphasis may or may not be be in italics. That is why > in LaTeX you can write constructions like: As you have guessed, It is not my choice, it is interface of ox.el and org-element.el. However if you strongly want to use proper terminology in markup, you may try to trade it for +your soul+ compatibility and portability issues. The following almost works: #+begin_src elisp :results silent (defun orgia-link (link-data desc info) (let* ((backend-struct (plist-get info :back-end)) (backend-name (org-export-backend-name backend-struct))) (or (org-export-custom-protocol-maybe link-data desc backend-name info) (let* ((parent (org-export-backend-parent backend-struct)) (transcoders-alist (org-export-get-all-transcoders parent)) (link-transcoder (alist-get 'link transcoders-alist))) (if link-transcoder (funcall link-transcoder link-data desc info) desc))))) (defun evilatex-emph (_emph content info) ;; I have no idea yet why newline is appended. (format "\\textit{%s}%%" content)) (org-export-define-derived-backend 'evilatex 'latex :translate-alist '((emph . evilatex-emph) (link . orgia-link))) #+end_src #+begin_src elisp (let ((org-export-with-broken-links 'mark)) (org-export-string-as "An [[orgia:(italic () \"ex\")]]ample of word and [[http://te.st][link]] [[unknown:prefix][desc]]!" 'evilatex t)) #+end_src #+RESULTS: : An \emph{ex}ample of \textit{inter}% : word and \href{http://te.st}{link} [BROKEN LINK: unknown:prefix]! Actually, I believe that something like orgia-link code should be added by `org-exprot-define-derived-backend' if "link" is missed in translate-alist. I suspect that `org-export-get-all-transcoders' may be avoided. > (setq org-export-global-macros > '(("emph" . "(eval (my-macro-emph $1))"))) Sorry, I have not prepared better variant to solve comma in macro problem yet.