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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1632658428; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=X5FKE7/+40Xd5wM0xyPWteW4KKst5HyFvE9WU5ecnWg=; b=fUbPY8q/WRPZp0ZXD0y9zlgt5DRffRCrNnm26qjC3YX+Qz1JFi4ZwxfWYyyFsNyA3833dV pEPPEb0oCzVFfnFPjOJNX8i5lOxFkv9cq/kl9H1IVDhMLEW1JimVQJ7G7uxbe7cwKX/ukh XAbDNaRMlGDmyySDJ4ivbmB0XyOYLp8hB54XzY+JITMuK3zW6MQY1nUU2AKqQ7SuntrpMy BmCh4JA2Mj38UK/lmhhavQHuaVT+Dkwadu7TgO0ESyvFfGq1cH9nSFXGZQamFiyLpY251a /LuhB6sLqtoJeOlPqIe16dJyarqfEzkbpaByip8lQIUvtaC71ej9UJ+xx8ULbA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1632658428; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=q3l5AcZw/GilrVF8lPkGEwWtaJWJV821BmARrtjHk18bkxM8gW3I+UEO9tqXI3Be+viGgB yrV1BIWSMbmhxKVo0n6EG0xKBOLl3vwjMZvNpIlOzfhYSSUIoFzmxmn0KZZZeVJwwr+7Ng dimnxGFkKy5JRnJEeFp1mtYexp9zNw4T9TfY9ocBPE7OGN5Y0DAdai3CBmLjOncc4z0JlV ZHs2vCeX4Kg4N0DWU8XQgJN/L/X/24QomtuspErwMHydUXQ1U1QIJfGzhDYm0BkUdwhqoV YToA2I/mY8G5SfqyvopwYfrb4RibBLEmEJnOuAJkDUhOG7oKfik1GkAOXKoNMQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: 0.01 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 2DB5E2AE25 X-Spam-Score: 0.01 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: dYsRE3cNdMOI On 26/09/2021 02:51, Timothy wrote: > > I’m a big fan of the shift to a fixed em-based max width. However, I’m not quite > sold on a few of the other changes, for instance the font change. While it does > vary, I must say than in particular I find the default serifed font of browsers > somewhat unattractive. Have you considered instead a sans-serif system font > stack? For example, this is what I used on the homepage: > ┌──── > │ -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, San Francisco, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Ubuntu, Roboto, Noto, Segoe UI, Arial, sans-serif; > └──── Sorry if it is a false alarm, I do not have enough experience with CSS. Since "Noto Serif" font exist, is just "Noto" enough to select namely "Noto Sans"? Concerning "em" and "rem", I may be wrong, but Chromium on Linux may apply font settings from desktop theme to element, while "rem" units are based on element. So using rem for max-width and leaving font-size to user defaults may result in too narrow or too wide text column. Unsure if values like "larger" are more "portable" for font-size of header elements. Modern browsers support light and dark themes. I can not suggest CSS snippets for that since I have never played with such selectors yet. I do not know what is the proper balance of overriding of defaults. I consider default built-in styles as compatibility mode with old pages. That is why I do not think that relying on default styles only (even some users customize them) is a good idea. Absolute font size may be left as in user preferences.