From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp1 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms11 with LMTPS id SKxMOeHAHmDjXgAA0tVLHw (envelope-from ) for ; Sat, 06 Feb 2021 16:16:33 +0000 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp1 with LMTPS id EC6mNOHAHmDuOAAAbx9fmQ (envelope-from ) for ; Sat, 06 Feb 2021 16:16:33 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 70B6E9402B1 for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2021 16:16:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:57066 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l8QG6-0002sn-Ux for larch@yhetil.org; Sat, 06 Feb 2021 11:16:30 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:33076) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l8QEQ-0002sa-KU for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Feb 2021 11:14:46 -0500 Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:33658) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l8QEP-0000oM-8Z for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Feb 2021 11:14:46 -0500 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1l8QEN-0001v4-8y for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Feb 2021 17:14:43 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org From: Maxim Nikulin Subject: Re: OT: M-S-$ Not Working Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 23:14:35 +0700 Message-ID: References: <20210204182518.70916d47@faramir.fios-router.home> <878s8167wm.fsf@mbork.pl> <87zh0hwvd7.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 In-Reply-To: <87zh0hwvd7.fsf@gmail.com> Content-Language: en-US Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geo-emacs-orgmode@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: 27 X-Spam_score: 2.7 X-Spam_bar: ++ X-Spam_report: (2.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD=1, FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA=2.309, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.249, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.105, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -0.76 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 70B6E9402B1 X-Spam-Score: -0.76 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: CealzFcOCecV On 06/02/2021 13:28, Tim Cross wrote: > > In general, standard Emacs key bindings are robust and reliable. If a > standard key binding like M-S $ doesn't work, first step is to try emacs > -Q. Sorry, but I do not agree that key bindings are robust in emacs. I use English and Russian keyboard layouts. Last years most of application could handle shortcuts independently of active layout (E.g. Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V works for copy-paste even if Russian layout is currently chosen.) In Emacs, only Control + Latin C works, Control + Cyrillic S (the same physical key) is undefined. Location of punctuation symbols depends on active layout, "$" is absent in Russian layout at all. It is extremely inconvenient to switch to US layout before any shortcut. Emacs uses its own input methods, but it means that desktop environment should treat emacs in a special way in respect to keyboard layouts. I have a kind of solution, I found its variants in blog posts. It is quite tricky, so I do not consider it as reliable and suitable for any user.