From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp1 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms11 with LMTPS id uK9gI4W/gV95OQAA0tVLHw (envelope-from ) for ; Sat, 10 Oct 2020 14:04:53 +0000 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp1 with LMTPS id SFQwH4W/gV8uYgAAbx9fmQ (envelope-from ) for ; Sat, 10 Oct 2020 14:04:53 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9C26F9400BF for ; Sat, 10 Oct 2020 14:04:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:41388 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kRFUP-0002QO-G7 for larch@yhetil.org; Sat, 10 Oct 2020 10:04:49 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:40782) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kRFNP-00022Q-Lf for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Oct 2020 09:57:35 -0400 Received: from static.214.254.202.116.clients.your-server.de ([116.202.254.214]:45342 helo=ciao.gmane.io) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kRFNN-0004Ls-Ll for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Oct 2020 09:57:35 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kRFNK-0009LI-5n for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Oct 2020 15:57:30 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org From: Maxim Nikulin Subject: Re: Reply-All noise Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2020 20:57:24 +0700 Message-ID: References: <4C7J0z6zLHz6tmH@submission01.posteo.de> <4C7dxx6Vq1z9rxS@submission02.posteo.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 In-Reply-To: <4C7dxx6Vq1z9rxS@submission02.posteo.de> Content-Language: en-US Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geo-emacs-orgmode@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/10 09:17:45 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: 24 X-Spam_score: 2.4 X-Spam_bar: ++ X-Spam_report: (2.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD=1, FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA=2.309, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.207, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Scanner: scn0 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: 2.09 X-TUID: X8hc6enNNpO7 10.10.2020 15:53, c.buhtz@posteo.jp wrote: > On 2020-10-10 15:03 Maxim Nikulin wrote: >> 1. Use "duplicate" sieve extension. >> [..] >> >> 2. Just add filter >> [..] > > This are workarounds but not solutions. Certainly. > IMO the problem is the list user that "Answers to all". > > Why should I modify my system because another one make errors? Just because people make errors. Most of them do not care and they do not have any problem. Even ones, who aware, sometimes press wrong button. Relax. If it is so annoying for you, I am afraid, the only option is to fix it on your side. There are a lot of wide spread ways to use email in a "strange" way. Usually discomfort, even if noticed, does not deserve efforts to enforce strict rules. You might achieve more results in educating people, how to use email properly, by telling your friends and colleagues a story how you made your life better by arranging a couple of filtering rules. 10.10.2020 15:57, c.buhtz@posteo.jp wrote > > Btw: It is nice that all of you using Gnus and (maybe) a local > mailserver with powerfull filtering. I don't. I do not see any reason to complain concerning features available on the server of your email provider curl --location https://posteo.jp/.well-known/autoconfig/mail/config-v1.1.xml curl: (51) SSL: no alternative certificate subject name matches target host name 'posteo.jp' curl --location --insecure https://posteo.jp/.well-known/autoconfig/mail/config-v1.1.xml | grep --after-context=1 imap posteo.de openssl s_client --starttls sieve -connect posteo.de:sieve "IMPLEMENTATION" "Dovecot Pigeonhole" "SIEVE" "fileinto reject envelope encoded-character vacation subaddress comparator-i;ascii-numeric relational regex imap4flags copy include variables body enotify environment mailbox date ihave vnd.dovecot.duplicate" P.S. Despite I believe that reply should be sent to the list only unless sender explicitly asked to to retain her/his address in Cc, I do not think it is worth struggling with people who intentionally use reply to all or do not care.