From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Robert Pluim Subject: Re: should the mail list be splitted resp. sub-tagged ? Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 10:56:27 +0100 Message-ID: References: <4D0B24DA.2050201@gmail.com> <87ei8sae89.fsf@gnu.org> <87zkrg600j.fsf@gmail.com> <12023.1294167155@gamaville.americas.hpqcorp.net> <87k4ijbtmy.fsf@Rainer.invalid> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=51004 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PaQ6u-0001dB-1w for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 04:56:53 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PaQ6r-0002Sw-EK for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 04:56:51 -0500 Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:57120) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PaQ6r-0002ST-1o for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 04:56:49 -0500 Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PaQ6p-0001VZ-4X for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 10:56:47 +0100 Received: from lns-bzn-49f-81-56-191-143.adsl.proxad.net ([81.56.191.143]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 10:56:47 +0100 Received: from rpluim by lns-bzn-49f-81-56-191-143.adsl.proxad.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 10:56:47 +0100 List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Achim Gratz writes: > Robert Pluim writes: >> Triage is for *computers* to do, they're much better at it than humans. > > Then let your MUA strip the tag off for you and live a happier life. > >> Also, those markers in the subject are obnoxious and *really* annoying, >> and take up valuable screen space. Please don't clutter up the org-mode >> emails for zero benefit. > > They are very valuable when you need to quickly check things from a > computer where you don't have set up your filtering for instance. Plus > they are indispensable for everyone who decides to not filter mail into > folders or anything like that. They don't force you to not filter, so > why should you force them to change their workflow? Using your same argument from above, why don't they configure their MUA to add the tag? Why should I be forced to change my workflow to strip it? (and the tags are not 'indispensable' for human triage: you can display the To/CC or List-Id headers, which will contain org-mode as well). >> org-mode list email has a List-Id header, the list software has already >> taken care of it for you. I fail to see how much can go wrong with >> filtering on that, configure it once and you're done. (or read the list >> via gmane, all nicely split out for you). > > This header is there for software to see, not for humans. There is > multiple redundancy in both the headers and the tagging of the subject > line and this is what makes things resilient. And yes, I read the list > via Gmane/GNUS, but that doesn't mean everyone has to do it the same > way. Right, which is why I argue for the minimal simplicity of just setting the header, and letting people take care of anything else they want to do afterwards. Anyway, I think we've reached the end of this discussion, it's definitely not relevant to org-mode anymore. Whoever maintains the list will decide what they prefer. Robert