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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1634149274; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=Osyu0XDiMsbISbLZi0qK180QgviDtVd2ypEwabFvu+o=; b=YBwmnSvoUaTkHMw+1si0Y4+Is2nJyjcnyATawJGRmrxbObI5xTsamYUrPaGdBEqsmUPjAC LItp9Kmxch2qe3uzVEGTxL9DHLSZCahrQWoYhhsCzhijTiccAjG/2rYhc0VSFTqiRgIWkj oduNroI9FKZWVJayae3viR74N+7T3r2Vf2VGSCJf6IX4swWajdA7R+pDyVftRzsLuNeKIA 65xU8SZl3LBd9WALgh/06LgbE3F/JBCy7U93vBVX+M2YW1v/pPH8t3KG9scWVXjtrCV43a lCb7lnJ8jF7OZlEMgNKXf1SEqUzV/34+Qx5aeVFDsaa8oTgEt/zqyqVQ3/IzGw== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1634149274; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=oGDJ9owuqXwaEB2jbh4NaTaiCY8Yzqi2kHPDX65StZe7MDaoAcVo/Vw9o2KiEB0lJJ8SLS LZ0vcjHEk7ZqpcYOOJyUQFWiu8FjFS36vshkpkQ247hfueBmN/aI3btCmNIS5HexnXRUhR fuo+LrD6cn+NygMsznoDomsBEiFZ2NQzaX4f44GFuqcKNOHf2haEtL82uin+daY5kpGpZS 9TRqaPj8LqYHvjI+ByDQ0NRe+ZrrvAixobgQljz+O+f7SetrZvgm71RINTRuDnfPAO0fxm UCth46sD2dm1sySW9pFcYdZgegJjw/bmqPlwUfuEh6oZC6bcgUbPJRWuQdjy7Q== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=windstream.net header.s=20180222 header.b=VBf05o5B; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.02 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=windstream.net header.s=20180222 header.b=VBf05o5B; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 4F67B2BB38 X-Spam-Score: -3.02 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: LZxv3SBOY55g On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 11:33:16 -0400, Leszek Wro=C5=84ski = wrote: > Guys, > > I've been using Emacs for about 20 years, but I'm only now starting to= > seriously explore the Org-mode, since I read about the new citation > options. I'd like to report my initial experience since maybe this > could lead to some amendments to the manual? %snip% Thank you for reporting. The "new user" experience can only be captured = = once, and it is all too common for the experienced user to omit "obvious= " = material from documentation. Some day I might go through all the org doc= s = wearing my "new user" hat. I'm not a real new user (emacs since about = 1976, TECO before that) but my old-age forgetfulness might help.