From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: John Hendy Subject: Org-mode and citations Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 20:57:44 -0600 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1299579476==" Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NxtYV-0007Dd-9M for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Apr 2010 22:57:51 -0400 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=51298 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NxtYT-0007CK-RS for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Apr 2010 22:57:51 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NxtYR-0000F1-Dl for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Apr 2010 22:57:49 -0400 Received: from mail-gy0-f169.google.com ([209.85.160.169]:55470) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NxtYR-0000Ew-9r for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Apr 2010 22:57:47 -0400 Received: by gyg4 with SMTP id 4so1649405gyg.0 for ; Fri, 02 Apr 2010 19:57:46 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode --===============1299579476== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd25d4a915b7f04834c4288 --000e0cd25d4a915b7f04834c4288 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi, Just finishing up a report and was taking care of the citations. I've been using C-c C-x f and it's been awesome... until I go to export to LaTeX when everything falls apart. Footnotes in my document came during unordered list items (bullets) and the LaTeX export had all kinds of mismatched brackets that I haven't been able to sort through. Is there a better way? Here's an example of what I'm experiencing: ------ \item Through further research, it turns out that World Choice Travel is exactly how FHTM is generating income from Travelocity\footnote{Office of the State Auditor, State of Montana \end{itemize} \end{itemize} (2010). \emph{Temporary Cease and Desist Order and Opportunity for Hearing} (SEC-2010-12), 29. \href{ http://www.sao.mt.gov/legal/securities/S10_HITECH%20Cease%20and%20Desist.pdf}{http://www.sao.mt.gov} } \begin{itemize} \item \textbf{Magazines.com:} 35\% on all sales\footnote{Magazines.com (2009). \emph{Sales Affiliate Information}. Retrieved \end{itemize} 31 March 2010 from \href{ http://www.magazines.com/affiliate/index}{http://www.magazines.com} } ------ So... (2010). \emph... should be after 'State of Montana' on one item rather than made to be in between an \end{itemize} and \begin{itemize} (no man's land, that is). Same thing with the last line '31 March...': that should have come after 'Retrieved' two lines above. I have found all kinds of references, but nothing that lays things out play by play. I would prefer to have org-mode integration so that I don't put in bib info in the tex file, change something, and have to do it all over again when I re-export. So, I can find some info about Bibtex and Reftex but in my opinion it's just not very helpful. Even the bibtex.org website seems difficult to me. I copied their examples exactly and end up with 'Blablabla said Nobody ~[?]' and some weird stuff at the bottom. I have also found Mario's Brain Dump ( http://www.mfasold.net/blog/2009/02/using-emacs-org-mode-to-draft-papers/) which only says to put these lines in an org-mode file: \bibliographystyle{plain} \bibliography{ProbePosition} I have also found this: http://www.hep.manchester.ac.uk/u/jenny/jcwdocs/latex/bibtexbasics.html and this: http://www.mail-archive.com/emacs-orgmode@gnu.org/msg02317.html Usually I just get something like no bibliography found, 'some references were undefined' when exporting from LaTeX mode with C-c C-c, or at one point got 'Wrong type argument stringp, nil when trying this: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/2406/match=bibliography I completely admit that I might be stupid about not finding some obvious information, but it's really been challenging! Is there any sort of 'quick' way to use bibtex or reftex in org-mode? Googling doesn't get me hits on the org-mode manual. I would also accept user suggestions of how to use bibtex/reftex with org-mode, but more of a 'from scratch' method. I have looked and looked and could tell you: - bibtex and reftex exist (but not really what the difference is) - what bibtex file formats are like and what classes work with the various source types (i have the manual) - that there seems to be a way to use this in org-mode - that those who use it really like it But not much else. As an alternative, is there a way to: - fix my issue above? - use endnotes instead of footnotes via this method? Many thanks for sparing my hair. John --000e0cd25d4a915b7f04834c4288 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi,


Just finishing up a report and was taking care of the citati= ons. I've been using C-c C-x f and it's been awesome... until I go = to export to LaTeX when everything falls apart. Footnotes in my document ca= me during unordered list items (bullets) and the LaTeX export had all kinds= of mismatched brackets that I haven't been able to sort through. Is th= ere a better way? Here's an example of what I'm experiencing:

------
\item Through further research, it turns out that World Choic= e Travel is
=A0=A0=A0 exactly how FHTM is generating income from Travelocity\footnote{O= ffice of the State Auditor, State of Montana
\end{itemize}

\end{itemize}
(2010). \emph{Temporary Cease and Desist Order and Opportunity for Hearing}=
(SEC-2010-12), 29. \href{http://www.sa= o.mt.gov/legal/securities/S10_HITECH%20Cease%20and%20Desist.pdf}{http://www= .sao.mt.gov} }
\begin{itemize}
\item \textbf{Magazines.com:} 35\% on all sales\footnote{Magazines.com (200= 9). \emph{Sales Affiliate Information}. Retrieved
\end{itemize}
31 March 2010 from \href{http://www.magazines.com/affiliate/index}{http= ://www.magazines.com} }
------

So... (2010). \emph... should be after 'State of Montana' on one it= em rather than made to be in between an \end{itemize} and \begin{itemize} (no man's land, that is). Same thing with the last line '31 March..= .': that should have come after 'Retrieved' two lines above.

I h= ave found all kinds of references, but nothing that lays things out play by= play. I would prefer to have org-mode integration so that I don't put = in bib info in the tex file, change something, and have to do it all over a= gain when I re-export.

So, I can find some info about Bibtex and Reftex but in my opinion it&#= 39;s just not very helpful. Even the bibtex.o= rg website seems difficult to me. I copied their examples exactly and e= nd up with 'Blablabla said Nobody ~[?]' and some weird stuff at the= bottom. I have also found Mario's Brain Dump (http://www.mf= asold.net/blog/2009/02/using-emacs-org-mode-to-draft-papers/) which onl= y says to put these lines in an org-mode file:

\bibliographystyle{plain}
\bibliography{ProbePosition}

I have also found this:http://www.hep.manchester.ac.uk/u/jenny/jcwdocs/latex/bibtexbasics.html
and this: http://www.mail-archive.com/emacs-orgmode@gnu.org/msg02317.html<= /a>

Usually I just get something like no bibliography found, 'so= me references were undefined' when exporting from LaTeX mode with C-c C= -c, or at one point got 'Wrong type argument stringp, nil when trying t= his: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/2406/match=3Dbibl= iography

I completely admit that I might be stupid about not finding some obviou= s information, but it's really been challenging!

Is there any so= rt of 'quick' way to use bibtex or reftex in org-mode? Googling doe= sn't get me hits on the org-mode manual.

I would also accept user suggestions of how to use bibtex/reftex with o= rg-mode, but more of a 'from scratch' method. I have looked and loo= ked and could tell you:
- bibtex and reftex exist (but not really what t= he difference is)
- what bibtex file formats are like and what classes work with the various = source types (i have the manual)
- that there seems to be a way to use t= his in org-mode
- that those who use it really like it

But not mu= ch else.

As an alternative, is there a way to:
- fix my issue above?
- use= endnotes instead of footnotes via this method?

Many thanks for spar= ing my hair.


John
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