From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Robert Horn Subject: bug#32722: bug#32722: bug#32722: 26.1; Org-publish depend on non-free platform ? Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 12:37:45 -0400 Message-ID: References: <531a7f93882cc0d5d09700457d06ea082f47569b.camel@flqt.fr> <83sh2ck42e.fsf@gnu.org> <87va73gn90.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> Reply-To: rjhorniii@gmail.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37164) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g2J3i-00058g-QR for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 12:41:07 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g2J3h-0007Zy-V5 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 12:41:06 -0400 Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-Message-ID: In-reply-to: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" To: Nicolas Floquet Cc: Eli Zaretskii , kaushal.modi@gmail.com, rms@gnu.org, 32722@debbugs.gnu.org Nicolas Floquet writes: > Actually, it's an ethical issue. That are not always easily solved with > technical solutions, I guess=E2=80=A6 > Perhaps you could clarify the ethical issues. The initial RMS comment on this issue in this thread is: /* from RMS email Emacs should not advise people to load anything from outside Emacs (counting ELPA). So this needs to be deleted. If htmlize is useful, we should put it into Emacs. Is there some obstacle to that? */ I can hypothesize various ethical, marketing, operational, and user experience reasons for not advising people to load ... Could you explain the ethical issue(s) that are of specific concern. Further from RMS was the suggested technical fix /* from RMS email later in thread To motivate people to do this, I say we shouild not ship another release with that reference to GitHub. Eli, do you agree? */ This makes it clearly the reference to Github that is the concern. I could accept a change such as replacing that reference with text saying "use ???? to find html..." I'm not sure what to suggest since Google, duck-duck-go, and other search engines are all commercial non-free operations. Rehosting onto a free platform, perhaps gnu.org, might be an option. A simple mirror onto a free platform might suffice. Linux, python, and other major open source efforts deal with platform issues by providing their own primary distribution platform. I can seem some ethical concerns with using a proprietary platform. Git was created due to problems with a dependency on a proprietary platform, although in that case it was more related to a divergence in business strategic directions than ethical issues. -- Robert Horn rjhorniii@gmail.com