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From: Robert Horn <rjhorn@panix.com>
To: Nicolas Floquet <n@flqt.fr>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
	kaushal.modi@gmail.com, rms@gnu.org, 32722@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#32722:  bug#32722:  bug#32722: 26.1; Org-publish depend on non-free platform ?
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 12:37:45 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m3tvmm4v8m.fsf__4090.48187216303$1537288787$gmane$org@panix.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <dbc243f2281e5b97b59d543f8e29559b1ffdc38f.camel@flqt.fr>


Nicolas Floquet writes:

> Actually, it's an ethical issue. That are not always easily solved with
> technical solutions, I guess…
>

Perhaps you could clarify the ethical issues.  The initial RMS comment
on this issue in this thread is:

/* from RMS email

Emacs should not advise people to load anything from outside Emacs
(counting ELPA).  So this needs to be deleted.

If htmlize is useful, we should put it into Emacs.
Is there some obstacle to that?

*/

I can hypothesize various ethical, marketing, operational, and user
experience reasons for not advising people to load ...

Could you explain the ethical issue(s) that are of specific concern.

Further from RMS was the suggested technical fix

/* from RMS email later in thread
To motivate people to do this, I say we shouild not ship another
release with that reference to GitHub.  Eli, do you agree?
*/

This makes it clearly the reference to Github that is the concern.  I
could accept a change such as replacing that reference with text saying
"use ???? to find html..."  I'm not sure what to suggest since Google,
duck-duck-go, and other search engines are all commercial non-free
operations.

Rehosting onto a free platform, perhaps gnu.org, might be an option.  A
simple mirror onto a free platform might suffice.  Linux, python, and
other major open source efforts deal with platform issues by providing
their own primary distribution platform.

I can seem some ethical concerns with using a proprietary platform.  Git
was created due to problems with a dependency on a proprietary platform,
although in that case it was more related to a divergence in business
strategic directions than ethical issues.

--
Robert Horn
rjhorniii@gmail.com

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-09-18 16:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <531a7f93882cc0d5d09700457d06ea082f47569b.camel@flqt.fr>
2018-09-13  3:35 ` bug#32722: 26.1; Org-publish depend on non-free platform ? Richard Stallman
     [not found] ` <83zhwmlnst.fsf@gnu.org>
2018-09-13  7:33   ` Nicolas Floquet
     [not found] ` <E1g0IPY-000465-4I@fencepost.gnu.org>
2018-09-13 15:26   ` Glenn Morris
     [not found]   ` <tqd0thctb6.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org>
2018-09-13 15:36     ` Kaushal Modi
2018-09-13 21:58       ` bug#32722: " Samuel Wales
2018-09-13 21:58       ` Samuel Wales
2018-09-13 21:58       ` Samuel Wales
2018-09-14  2:55       ` bug#32722: " Richard Stallman
     [not found]       ` <E1g0eGJ-0002Ws-Gt@fencepost.gnu.org>
2018-09-14  6:04         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-16 12:30           ` Adam Porter
2018-09-17 20:21             ` Nick Dokos
2018-09-18 13:12               ` Bernt Hansen
     [not found]         ` <83sh2ck42e.fsf@gnu.org>
2018-09-18  9:37           ` Nicolas Goaziou
2018-09-18 11:49             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-18 14:21               ` Nick Dokos
2018-09-18 14:49                 ` Kaushal Modi
     [not found]             ` <83zhwff2k8.fsf@gnu.org>
2018-09-18 12:14               ` bug#32722: " Robert Klein
2018-09-19  3:41                 ` Richard Stallman
2018-09-19  7:22                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-18 14:43             ` Nicolas Floquet
     [not found]             ` <dbc243f2281e5b97b59d543f8e29559b1ffdc38f.camel@flqt.fr>
2018-09-18 16:37               ` Robert Horn [this message]
2018-09-19  3:41               ` Richard Stallman
2018-09-19 12:29                 ` Nicolas Goaziou
     [not found]                 ` <87h8ilfz6o.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr>
2018-09-20  1:50                   ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]                   ` <E1g2o6s-0008PG-JL@fencepost.gnu.org>
2018-09-20 12:40                     ` Nicolas Goaziou
2018-09-20 12:59                     ` Bingo UV
2018-09-21  2:13                       ` Richard Stallman
2018-09-21 19:21                         ` bug#32722: bug#32722: " Leslie Watter
     [not found]                         ` <CAKoz4gnvbc1tTGW57c_7cVN0gF2KrgAjYRT+kwp29fMOYX3RCA@mail.gmail.com>
2018-09-23  1:38                           ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]                           ` <E1g3tLf-0003Es-KN@fencepost.gnu.org>
2018-09-29 14:53                             ` Nicolas Goaziou
     [not found]                             ` <87mus0z773.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr>
2018-09-29 15:09                               ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                               ` <83in2o5oi3.fsf@gnu.org>
2018-09-29 18:33                                 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2018-09-29 18:58                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                                   ` <83ftxs5dvw.fsf@gnu.org>
2018-09-29 23:35                                     ` bug#32722: " Kyle Meyer
2018-09-30 11:43                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                                       ` <83y3bj43d8.fsf@gnu.org>
2020-05-24  8:03                                         ` bug#32722: [O] " Bastien
2018-09-30  9:27                               ` Michael Albinus
2018-10-22  9:39                                 ` Nicolas Goaziou
     [not found]                                 ` <87r2giz5ey.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr>
2018-10-22 11:07                                   ` Michael Albinus
     [not found]                                   ` <871s8is0i6.fsf@gmx.de>
2018-10-22 13:17                                     ` Nicolas Goaziou
     [not found]                     ` <87worggx5b.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr>
2018-09-20 14:31                       ` Michael Albinus
     [not found]               ` <m3tvmm4v8m.fsf@panix.com>
2018-09-18 16:53                 ` bug#32722: " Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                 ` <83efdqg32d.fsf@gnu.org>
2018-09-18 18:53                   ` bug#32722: " Robert Klein
     [not found]                   ` <20180918205329.2e12c16f@happy.intern.roklein.de>
2018-09-18 18:57                     ` Kaushal Modi
2018-09-18 19:29                       ` Kaushal Modi
2018-09-19  3:39                         ` Richard Stallman
2018-09-19  3:39                     ` Richard Stallman
2018-09-25 23:04                     ` Richard Stallman
2018-09-18 20:41                   ` Glenn Morris
     [not found]                   ` <vain32bksv.fsf_-_@fencepost.gnu.org>
2018-09-18 21:07                     ` Nicolas Goaziou
     [not found]                     ` <87lg7yfraw.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr>
2018-09-18 22:08                       ` bug#32722: " Amin Bandali
2018-09-19 21:16                         ` bug#32722: " Kaushal Modi
2018-09-20  1:54                           ` Richard Stallman
2018-09-20  5:43                           ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                           ` <E1g2oAo-0000ao-2k@fencepost.gnu.org>
2018-09-20  4:24                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-20 10:43                             ` bug#32722: " Joe Corneli
     [not found]                             ` <CAN+qofnbqV8MT0wmKNokXv0S8f9PnXcpK1RdsH-8Zb2i8ckNPw@mail.gmail.com>
2018-09-21  2:13                               ` Richard Stallman
2018-09-21 10:22                                 ` Joe Corneli
     [not found]                                 ` <m2zhwbup3a.fsf@dhcp-90-218.inf.ed.ac.uk>
2018-09-22  1:52                                   ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]                           ` <83h8ikenbc.fsf@gnu.org>
2018-09-20  8:13                             ` Robert Klein
2018-09-20 19:17                             ` Nicolas Goaziou
2018-09-20 23:17                               ` Adam Porter
2018-09-21  0:39                                 ` Kaushal Modi
2018-09-21  1:54                                   ` Adam Porter
2018-09-21 21:30                                     ` Kaushal Modi
     [not found]                             ` <87in30geqo.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr>
2018-09-20 20:50                               ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                               ` <835zyzevvt.fsf@gnu.org>
2018-10-22 13:13                                 ` Nicolas Goaziou
     [not found]                                 ` <87d0s2yvi4.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr>
2018-10-22 13:48                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-19  3:39                       ` Richard Stallman
2018-09-19  7:02                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-20  5:21                         ` Adam Porter
     [not found]                       ` <831s9qezqo.fsf@gnu.org>
2018-09-20 17:42                         ` Nicolas Goaziou
     [not found]                         ` <87muscgj51.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr>
2018-09-20 20:48                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-21  2:18                           ` Richard Stallman
2018-09-19  3:39                     ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]                     ` <E1g2TLB-000734-Os@fencepost.gnu.org>
2018-09-19  7:04                       ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                       ` <83zhwedl2v.fsf@gnu.org>
2018-09-20  1:50                         ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]                         ` <E1g2o79-0008S6-UV@fencepost.gnu.org>
2018-09-20  4:22                           ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                           ` <83lg7wer1z.fsf@gnu.org>
2018-09-21  2:18                             ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]                             ` <E1g3B16-0004U1-2g@fencepost.gnu.org>
2019-05-16 15:16                               ` Nicolas Floquet
     [not found]                               ` <c20679912a5c2644bf6e62a65b7c4da118d988f5.camel@flqt.fr>
2019-05-16 15:25                                 ` Nicolas Floquet
     [not found]                                 ` <3554abc2df1167f5b052b021670bbd09fae6dd6f.camel@flqt.fr>
2019-06-09 16:54                                   ` bug#32722: " Amin Bandali
2018-09-19  3:40                 ` bug#32722: " Richard Stallman
2018-09-24  9:54                 ` Nicolas Floquet

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