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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1634942915; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=DhgZsXnGqSpLdoX9mnA3N30RTazVU9iomoo4kmXzJEE=; b=V6L+IYXFgHC8MiFAKkoBWmFnctfy1ARSecfxADv/+/X+iYNbjnwZBmqGBCzKuhYoW79j+u PlI01kv63BjVYQ+9mZ+kwS1h245rxqZ6pGMtA9f04HjxfRFkNWtlh9dC2/UguLu6YUd0tn 2UZ3FqFPcrrhdcdnRqqLYOpF482Pgmwtvjt3ntqOLoMccYDHOxllCdDhRuMbwvocHNoG80 t18wDJ0N3uVtu/7SW3CXH8fCcZbQjZAtyZVQmLksJSUYIuzsVbzXvywWdt7kS6vtY8Gp47 kIQeZABulO3hmoddbo0qrANAbAatlO+AP0NgYQ870gWVBbZ7mjMgj0CL+aLEfg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1634942915; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=W85ZBuBJklLtX5MlsTKMUyb55bF245br5TyicmKUQFeGgPAESujZP3oROdt3F+x+f5eyeA o8HVymIhj6XZONTwMP6JZFOrW5n8HG69+Ne3jvAn3rDYM8cuNS8PG2rBV11iAh4YmJgs0B nhgKbhUTC/aHxGSjiTFby9AygQcNa01ECfoukDwoe+7ucV8cuRjh0aBeuNBah9N/foOnSz 1ZxAIZ4xOUc+FXjXS1q3HvDFVds49inwrUNy56RHLI5i8/s4TlaAxtQTBJ82+ccpZJVZlZ haCotbLI+w/dqkgbZCZyYfiwK58NL2i81z2BJwQ+tnTQiFxIknr4oQi/BCgciQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=D7IEPFbD; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.63 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=D7IEPFbD; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 6C1B6A21F X-Spam-Score: -1.63 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: 9lc5cWApsEn8 Uwe Brauer writes: > [[S/MIME Signed Part:Undecided]] > >> Uwe Brauer writes: > > >> What is the setting for electric-indent-mode in the org buffer? > > ,---- > | electric-indent-mode is a variable defined in =E2=80=98electric.el=E2= =80=99. > |=20 > | Its value is nil > | Original value was t > `---- > > Not sure why its original value was t, I don't remember to have used > that, but I might be mistaken. > > Electric indent mode was set to t in emacs 26 or 25. At the time, org did not honour the setting of electric indent mode. A lot of the confusion around changes to indentation and org-adapt-indentation has arisen due to changes in org mode to make it compatible with other emacs modes i.e. make it honour the setting of electric-indent-mode. While I think this was the right move for the long-term as it makes org mode behave like other modes, I don't think the impact from this change was fully understood at the time. This has led to considerable confusion and changes in default settings for org-adapt-indentation to reduce the friction for users. While the outcome has likely made org mode more consistent for new users, it has caused some issues for existing users and it may take some time for the shock waves to dissipate.=20=20 > >> Also, does org-lint give any warnings about your org file? > > No, I just checked. > >> The effect of org-adapt-indentation is somewhat confusing to say the >> least. The effect of that setting is also dependent on the setting for >> electric-indent-mode. Getting the desired result often depends on having >> the right setting for both that variable and electric-indent-mode. I've >> also found that in some cases, if there are errors in your org file (as >> found by org-lint) then everything can go a bit weird as well. > > Very odd, maybe I will turn org-indent-mode on just in this buffer. > > There has been a number of threads about this and org-adapt-indentation over the last 12 months or so. You might find some help looking through some of those threads.=20