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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -15 X-Spam_score: -1.6 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" , emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Scanner: ns3122888.ip-94-23-21.eu Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=codeisgreat-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=XLq7mHCa; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.21 X-TUID: 9uiel2WS7WAS Asa Zeren writes: > In these concerns I see one major flaw. The way they are worded at > present implies that the Emacs implementation of org is the "one true > implementation," and that all tools in other environments are > auxiliary. At present, that is the truth. Where are other implementations that we can call true implementations? May be I am not aware of them. Could you please list a few? > I believe that if we want org to grow, then it needs to become unbound > from Emacs. It should become a universal markup format, which just > happens to have had many tools first implemented for Emacs (even if > Emacs still will probably remain the best way to edit org files). I would love to see org becoming a universal markup format. My wish is that the standard should be under control of Worg. This should be the only source of truth and implementors may contribute to the standard by participating in the community or may be some steering committee here.