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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -15 X-Spam_score: -1.6 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Scanner: ns3122888.ip-94-23-21.eu Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=codeisgreat-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=EUVEpWOz; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.21 X-TUID: yM1Qs+xkEGOv Daniele Nicolodi writes: > On 17/11/2020 19:41, Boruch Baum wrote: >> A little over a month ago, I submitted several bug reports related to >> org-mode, and sor most of them haven't seen any action whatsoever, not >> even an indication that they were noticed. In many cases, I provided >> either a total solution or a suggested implementation of a solution. >> >> BUG REPORT: 42484 > > I haven't investigated further than reading this email, but the fact > that you are including what look like debbug numbers suggests that you > reported those bugs against Emacs. > > Org is mostly developed outside Emacs and has an independent release > cycle. Emacs syncs irregularly with the latest released version of Org. I was completely unaware of this. I also used to report bugs via emacs' report-emacs-bug fascility. Moreover, I am building emacs from `master' everyday and assuming everything is latest on this. If Org is a different beast then probably we should do two things: 1. Remove Org from built-in packages and distribute only via ELPA 2. And have a completely separate infrastructure for development, mailing-lists, bug reports. This we already have. But we should follow convention so that it is easier for user to report-org-bugs. > Bug report affecting the latest release of Org can be submitted to this > mailing list. This is also the best way to make them known to the Org > developers and maintainer. I don't know how the tracking works if bugs are reported in a mailing list. > I don't think anyone here really looks into > bugs reported to the Emacs debbugs instance: time is limited and the > version of Org distributed with Emacs is very often not the most current > one, thus the bug reports may anyhow not be relevant anyhow. > > I suggest you to try to reproduce these bugs with the latest Org release > (or the latest snapshot from Org ELPA) and report on this list if the > problems persist, see `org-submit-bug-report'. I am trying to use `use-package' for package management via the init file. And when I do (use-package org :ensure t) it doesn't install the latest. It uses the builtin package only. Is this a bug in emacs, use-package or elpa?