From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Rainer M Krug Subject: Re: Feature request: lists with letters Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2017 09:50:29 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87shnwbiyx.fsf@posteo.de> <87tw8ccwae.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <87r33gbcrg.fsf@posteo.de> <87bmukcqnn.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37046) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cZZZq-0003ya-7o for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2017 03:50:43 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cZZZm-0008BL-W1 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2017 03:50:42 -0500 Received: from mout.kundenserver.de ([212.227.17.10]:56291) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cZZZm-00089s-KG for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2017 03:50:38 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87bmukcqnn.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> (Nicolas Goaziou's message of "Thu, 02 Feb 2017 20:57:00 +0100") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" To: Nicolas Goaziou Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, Titus von der Malsburg --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nicolas Goaziou writes: > Hello, > > Titus von der Malsburg writes: > >> One issue with org-list-allow-alphabetical is that we get numbers >> instead of letters when we export to HTML and LaTeX. I saw the earlier >> thread [0] that gives the reasoning for this but I find it >> unsatisfying. If Org allows us to distinguish between -, +, 1., 1), a., >> A., a), A), this should also be honored by the exporter. > > This is also why I dislike the feature. > >> Otherwise it=E2=80=99s rather pointless to allow that distinction in the= first >> place. > > Exactly. > >> IMHO, a clean solution would be to either drop everything but - and >> 1. or to keep all these and make the exporters honor them. The former >> would breaks existing documents and is therefore out of the >> question. This leaves us with the second solution. > > I wouldn't rule that out. Breaking changes happen. We can provide tools > to fix existing documents. > > Actually, I like the idea of keeping only "-" and "1.". We could > implement other bullet types as overlays. > >> Any chance you are willing to reconsider the decision to ignore >> allow-alphabetical during export? > > I still agree with Carsten in the thread you pointed out. Org document > is about structure. The bullet in about typesetting. I must admit, I haven't read the thread mentioned, and I am sure Carsten's point was correct, but orgmode is more and more used for non-structure tasks. As an example I see the whole field of reproductive research and scientific paper writing, which, in my opinion, has many more elements than structure. Another example are html emails (like them or not - I also dislike them) which people compose in org, or org as a LaTeX frontend. Exporting, i.e. typesetting and sharing, becomes much more important these days and possibly as important as the structure. In a nutshell: I agree with Titus' point and also would love to have alphabetical bullets. But it is for me not that important if they are alphabetical or numeric in org - a simple command / which I could put in front of the list, and *which could be interpreted by the exporter* to do the right thing for this list would be fine, simmilar to bold, verbtin, ... The implementation would then be in the exporter. Cheers, Rainer > >> I think it would be very useful to have that. I know there are other >> ways to get alphabetical bullets in exported documents but they are >> all specific to certain export targets and the beauty of Org mode is >> precisely that we can export to many different targets. > > The beauty of Org is also to allow to control different export targets > in the same document. > > I think this is a non-issue. > > Regards, =2D-=20 Rainer M. Krug email: Rainerkrugsde PGP: 0x0F52F982 --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJYlERZAAoJENvXNx4PUvmCAp4H/198yhF5ezUSfct5yd6M647N vkyVOCmcUqMGn9x2B3OANYwzOQRAMy9+M4qHQpJeEq+4FWvu9nnGSMeGtNVbWimJ 9uDZxv9jW7I65BImpOyQdi1eWxv3Z+WkEaiSaHJR4OlfWfLCnipwX96IokNz6OFV RytzzhOxrK3RDg0swrBAJXwYjZHSfIo+Ovoa1ibo5mklLb8ckkhTOybluzLKSDBJ +u7IpL40sHkSbeJgFrzf0g4Wh340f7JudLVmMBbsuH8Vb7qC8balHuciORZ3qf1a 80MfkHKlE/y30gwBMAEdBThNFmF/xkepf3FYFNbCJed0NvqyNYCKFVxmkJYTLoA= =MGiJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--