From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Christian Moe Subject: Re: Remove Org from Emacs repository? Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 18:11:31 +0100 Message-ID: References: <871sx5pp6u.fsf@laptoptop.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:49587) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cIfIl-0005zT-4E for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2016 12:31:12 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cIfIh-0000pH-UF for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2016 12:31:11 -0500 Received: from mailer-211-160.hitrost.net ([91.185.211.160]:47966) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cIfIh-0000ox-NB for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2016 12:31:07 -0500 In-reply-to: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" To: Carsten Dominik Cc: "emacs-orgmode@gnu.org" , aaermolov@gmail.com, Reuben Thomas +1. (= Keep it in.) Yours, Christian Carsten Dominik writes: > Dear all, > > I'd hate to see Org removed from Emacs. It took a lot of work to get it > in, and I believe that the vast majority of Emacs users does not install > packages. For a newbie to get to Emacs and to be able to open a .org file > is a big plus. So my vote goes toward keeping it in. > > Carsten > > On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 10:22 AM, wrote: > >> 2 cents from me... >> >> Besides I continuously see many users praising Emacs just for Org >> presence (they even may be completely non-technical users), I'm >> personally think Org may be removed from Emacs distribution because: >> >> 1) all Reuben's argument seems sane; >> 2) there are situations when someone wants particular version of Org, >> and it may be not tne one bundled with Emacs. In this case someone >> should perform extra steps to ensure things are going the right way. >> When Org will be available only from ELPA, it will be SPOT for such >> cases. >> >> Reuben Thomas writes: >> >> > Now that Emacs has had package.el for some years, and Org is installable >> > directly from GNU ELPA, would it be a good idea to remove Org from >> Emacs's >> > source repository? >> > >> > The current situation is left over from before Emacs had package.el, and >> I >> > see no compelling reason to keep it. Org is too big and distinct to be >> > swallowed by Emacs; it doesn't make much sense to keep its current >> half-in, >> > half-out state; so logically it seems sensible to take it out. >> > >> > I am asking this question from an Org point of view; I will ask the Emacs >> > maintainers separately for their perspective. >> > >> > I think it would benefit Emacs too, as there would be less code to >> maintain >> > (even though Org is quasi-external at present, it still has to build >> > successfully as part of an Emacs build), and the Emacs distribution would >> > be slimmer for non-Org users. >> > >> > Of course, Emacs "distributions" would still be able to include Org >> > out-of-the box if they wished. >> > >> > -- >> > http://rrt.sc3d.org >>