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From: Pankaj Jangid <pankaj@codeisgreat.org>
To: Tim Cross <theophilusx@gmail.com>
Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Thoughts on the standardization of Org
Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2020 09:09:24 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m2d00x3fv7.fsf@codeisgreat.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <878sbln73x.fsf@gmail.com> (Tim Cross's message of "Sun, 01 Nov 2020 13:28:18 +1100")

Tim Cross <theophilusx@gmail.com> writes:

> I should state up-front, I am somewhat sceptical regarding an org-mode
> which is separate or independent of Emacs. Much of what makes org-mode
> so powerful and useful is due to features of Emacs. While most, if not
> all, of these features could be implemented in other solutions, the
> amount of work and level of maintenance should not be under-estimated.

Not only that. This will really slowdown the evolution of org-mode if
the standardization is outside the control of Emacs Developers.

> Over the last 30+ years involved in technology, I have seen many good
> ideas come undone as the result of a standardisation effort. consider
> for example, the results of the lisp standardisation that resulted in
> common Lisp, what happened with CORBA, xml-rpc and the move to REST
> based APIs. XHTML and the breakdown of standardisation processes
> within the W3C and the development of HTML5.

I am not only skeptical, I totally believe that this sort of
standardization where some other party is giving org-mode a certificate,
will be harmful for the development of org-mode.

> The four areas which I think would provide the greatest benefit would
> be to
>
> - Finalise the draft org syntax document on Worg, possibly adding it
> to
>   the manual once complete. A considerable amount of work has already
>   been put into this document and I think it is a good start.

And this should be the only source of truth. If MIME type registration
changes this then better to avoid that.

> - Define a specification for a property API which compliant org-mode
>   implementation should support. This could be based on the existing
>   ELisp mapping API.
>
> - Define a specification for an element mapping API which compliant
>   org-mode implementation should support. Again, this could be based
>   on the existing ELisp element mapping API.
>
> - Define a set of org reference documents. These would be documents
> that
>   all compliant parsers should be able to process successfully. It
>   might also be worthwhile including some documents with common errors
>   which parses should be able to handle and recover from in a graceful
>   manner.  Those developing external tools can then use these
>   documents as a guide and for testing their implementations.

Agree. And again... the standard place should be Worg only.

-- Pankaj


  reply	other threads:[~2020-11-01  3:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-11-01  0:22 Thoughts on the standardization of Org Asa Zeren
2020-11-01  0:40 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2020-11-01  3:08   ` Asa Zeren
2020-11-01  4:23     ` Pankaj Jangid
2020-11-01  7:54     ` Tim Cross
2020-11-01  2:28 ` Tim Cross
2020-11-01  3:39   ` Pankaj Jangid [this message]
2020-11-02 12:39     ` Eric S Fraga
2020-11-02 14:22       ` Greg Minshall
2020-11-02 14:56         ` Eric S Fraga
2020-11-02 15:23           ` Russell Adams
2020-11-02 15:31             ` TEC
2020-11-02 15:48             ` Eric S Fraga
2020-11-02 16:27               ` Carsten Dominik
2020-11-02 22:05           ` Tim Cross
2020-11-03  3:29           ` Greg Minshall
2020-11-01  5:20 ` Tom Gillespie
2020-11-01 10:25   ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2020-11-01 10:28     ` TEC
2020-11-01 18:02       ` Jack Kamm
2020-11-01 16:03     ` Asa Zeren
2020-11-01 17:27       ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2020-11-01 17:29         ` TEC
2020-11-01 18:43         ` Asa Zeren
2020-11-01  6:24 ` TEC
2020-11-01 16:13 ` Russell Adams
2020-11-01 19:46   ` Daniele Nicolodi
2020-11-01 23:10     ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2020-11-02  8:37       ` Daniele Nicolodi
2020-11-02  9:02         ` TEC
2020-11-02 11:04           ` Daniele Nicolodi
2020-11-02 13:43             ` TEC
2020-11-07 21:20             ` Jean Louis
2020-11-09 14:04               ` Maxim Nikulin
2020-11-09 15:57                 ` Daniele Nicolodi
2020-11-09 15:59                 ` Jean Louis
2020-11-10 16:19                   ` Maxim Nikulin
2020-11-10 20:22                     ` Jean Louis
2020-11-10 23:08                     ` Tom Gillespie
2020-11-11  0:00                       ` Tim Cross
2020-11-09 21:46                 ` Tim Cross
2020-11-09 22:45                   ` Emails are not safe - " Jean Louis
2020-11-10  4:13                   ` Greg Minshall
2020-11-10  4:49                     ` Tim Cross
2020-11-10  7:12                       ` Greg Minshall
2020-11-10 16:29                     ` Maxim Nikulin
2020-11-10 20:35                       ` Jean Louis
2020-11-10 22:30                         ` Tim Cross
2020-11-11  5:03                           ` Jean Louis
2020-11-11  6:40                             ` Tim Cross
2020-11-27 16:49                             ` Maxim Nikulin
2020-11-27 17:16                               ` Jean Louis
2020-11-11 17:10                         ` Maxim Nikulin
2020-11-11 17:34                           ` Jean Louis
2020-11-12  3:39                             ` Greg Minshall
2020-11-11  3:49                       ` Greg Minshall
2020-11-02  9:53         ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2020-11-02  1:17 ` Ken Mankoff
2020-11-02  8:12   ` Russell Adams
2020-11-02  9:57     ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2020-11-03  8:24 ` David Rogers
2020-11-03 12:14   ` Ken Mankoff
2020-11-03 12:27     ` Russell Adams
2020-11-03 13:00     ` Eric S Fraga
2020-11-03 13:31       ` Ken Mankoff
2020-11-03 15:03         ` Eric S Fraga
2020-11-03 20:27           ` TEC
2020-11-03 14:38     ` Devin Prater
2020-11-03 22:03     ` David Rogers
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2020-11-01 13:34 Gustav Wikström
2020-11-01 18:39 Asa Zeren
2020-11-03 22:30 Asa Zeren

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