From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: John Kitchin Subject: Re: evil-mode and org Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2017 11:12:22 -0400 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51468) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ctFGv-0007P2-Ot for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Mar 2017 11:12:30 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ctFGr-0001JQ-G6 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Mar 2017 11:12:29 -0400 Received: from mail-qk0-x243.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400d:c09::243]:32830) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ctFGr-0001J4-Bj for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Mar 2017 11:12:25 -0400 Received: by mail-qk0-x243.google.com with SMTP id p22so2429554qka.0 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2017 08:12:25 -0700 (PDT) In-reply-to: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" To: Peter Neilson Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Using evil-mode is not "using vim" IMHO. I think this is a question of do you want modal editing or not (I suppose it could also be do you want emacs-lisp or vimscript, but that is not the impression I get these days ;). With emacs you can have either traditional emacs editing (one-mode: edit) or modal editing like vim (for the most part). And you can still use emacs-lisp to customize the environment so you can have things like org-mode. I have seen a growing movement towards modal editing in emacs, e.g. evil-mode, spacemacs, hydra, avy/ivy, etc... and even do some things modally myself with those tools. Peter Neilson writes: > On Tue, 28 Mar 2017 08:57:40 -0400, Matt Price wrote: > >> I've never used Vim but I see a lot of people online raving about evil >> mode >> and how much they love it. I'm considering giving it a whirl after the >> semester ends & I get some free time. I just wondered whether any heavy >> org >> users here on the list use evil, and if so, whether you see pain points >> within org-mode -- my setup is pretty heavily customized, for instance, >> and >> I wonder whether that means it will be quite painful to use evil. > > You will also find people asking why anyone would ever think of using vim. > One of those is Aaron Bieber. > https://blog.aaronbieber.com/2016/01/30/dig-into-org-mode.html > > I use vim only when unavoidable, and I simply pretend it is ed (of ancient > Unix days). Or maybe I just use ed. I would not bother trying to use ed to > access org, and thus would not be tempted to use vi, vim or evil mode for > org, either. One fine day, long, long ago, I had to use a Vax that did not > have emacs, vim, vi or ed. It did have whatever DEC was using for an > editor, but I didn't know how to use it instantly. What to do? What to do? > I tried running TECO. Yes, it had TECO! Saved! (Sort of.) > > Why use vim if emacs is already built into your fingertips? -- Professor John Kitchin Doherty Hall A207F Department of Chemical Engineering Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh, PA 15213 412-268-7803 @johnkitchin http://kitchingroup.cheme.cmu.edu