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* Org Babel "swallows" table column groups
@ 2024-06-28 12:43 Rudolf Adamkovič
  2024-06-28 15:28 ` Ihor Radchenko
  2024-06-28 17:42 ` S. Sajad Hosseini Balef
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Rudolf Adamkovič @ 2024-06-28 12:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

Given the source block

  #+BEGIN_SRC emacs-lisp
  (list (list 1 2) (list "/" "<>") 'hline (list 3 4) (list 5 6))
  #+END_SRC

Org Babel outputs

  #+RESULTS:
  | 1 | 2 |
  |---+---|
  | 3 | 4 |
  | 5 | 6 |

with the second element of the list

  (list "/" "<>")

swallowed, without a word.

Why would Org Babel do this?

And, how can one output tables with column groups?

Rudy
-- 
"I do not fear death.  I had been dead for billions and billions of years
before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it."
--- Mark Twain, paraphrased

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http://adamkovic.org


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* Re: Org Babel "swallows" table column groups
  2024-06-28 12:43 Org Babel "swallows" table column groups Rudolf Adamkovič
@ 2024-06-28 15:28 ` Ihor Radchenko
  2024-06-30  8:53   ` Rudolf Adamkovič
  2024-06-28 17:42 ` S. Sajad Hosseini Balef
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Ihor Radchenko @ 2024-06-28 15:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Rudolf Adamkovič; +Cc: emacs-orgmode

Rudolf Adamkovič <rudolf@adamkovic.org> writes:

> Given the source block
>
>   #+BEGIN_SRC emacs-lisp
>   (list (list 1 2) (list "/" "<>") 'hline (list 3 4) (list 5 6))
>   #+END_SRC
>
> Org Babel outputs
> ...
> with the second element of the list
>
>   (list "/" "<>")
>
> swallowed, without a word.
>
> Why would Org Babel do this?
>
> And, how can one output tables with column groups?

This is because of how `orgtbl-to-generic' is implemented. It is taking
pieces from the full ox.el exporter, hard-coding certain things. For
example, it always removes special table lines:

    ;; Since we are going to export using a low-level mechanism,
    ;; ignore special column and special rows manually.

ox.el used to do the same recently, until I added a feature to keep
special lines in tables during export (for ox-org purposes).

See also https://list.orgmode.org/orgmode/87bkjy9tew.fsf@mat.ucm.es/

-- 
Ihor Radchenko // yantar92,
Org mode contributor,
Learn more about Org mode at <https://orgmode.org/>.
Support Org development at <https://liberapay.com/org-mode>,
or support my work at <https://liberapay.com/yantar92>


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* Re: Org Babel "swallows" table column groups
  2024-06-28 15:28 ` Ihor Radchenko
@ 2024-06-30  8:53   ` Rudolf Adamkovič
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Rudolf Adamkovič @ 2024-06-30  8:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Ihor Radchenko; +Cc: emacs-orgmode

Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net> writes:

> Rudolf Adamkovič <rudolf@adamkovic.org> writes:
>
> This is because of how `orgtbl-to-generic' is implemented. It is taking
> pieces from the full ox.el exporter, hard-coding certain things. For
> example, it always removes special table lines:
>
>     ;; Since we are going to export using a low-level mechanism,
>     ;; ignore special column and special rows manually.
>
> ox.el used to do the same recently, until I added a feature to keep
> special lines in tables during export (for ox-org purposes).

Bummer!

I wrote a little Scheme program to generate truth tables for my notes on
mathematical logic and also to aid future explorations.  It works well,
but without table separators, truth tables are harder to read.

Rudy
-- 
"We shall not cease from exploration
 And the end of all our exploring
 Will be to arrive where we started
 And know the place for the first time"
--- T. S. Eliot, Little Gidding, Four Quarters, 1943

Rudolf Adamkovič <rudolf@adamkovic.org> [he/him]
http://adamkovic.org


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* Re: Org Babel "swallows" table column groups
  2024-06-28 12:43 Org Babel "swallows" table column groups Rudolf Adamkovič
  2024-06-28 15:28 ` Ihor Radchenko
@ 2024-06-28 17:42 ` S. Sajad Hosseini Balef
  2024-06-30  8:13   ` Rudolf Adamkovič
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: S. Sajad Hosseini Balef @ 2024-06-28 17:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: rudolf; +Cc: emacs-orgmode

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 > Given the source block
 >
 >   #+BEGIN_SRC emacs-lisp
 >   (list (list 1 2) (list "/" "<>") 'hline (list 3 4) (list 5 6))
 >   #+END_SRC
 >
 > Org Babel outputs
 >
 >   #+RESULTS:
 >   | 1 | 2 |
 >   |---+---|
 >   | 3 | 4 |
 >   | 5 | 6 |
 >
 > with the second element of the list
 >
 >   (list "/" "<>")
 >
 > swallowed, without a word.
 >
 > Why would Org Babel do this?
 >
 > And, how can one output tables with column groups?
 >
 > Rudy
 > --=20
 > "I do not fear death.  I had been dead for billions and billions of years
 > before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience 
from it=
 > ."
 > --- Mark Twain, paraphrased
 >
 > Rudolf Adamkovi=C4=8D <rudolf@adamkovic.org> [he/him]
 > http://adamkovic.org

It's seems related to the "<>" bacuse with any other strings I haven't 
such issue. I tried to fix ob-emacs-lisp.el but there was no success at 
the moment.

S. Sajad Hosseini Balef

shosseinib@ut.ac.ir

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Subject: Org Babel "swallows" table column groups
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Given the source block

  #+BEGIN_SRC emacs-lisp
  (list (list 1 2) (list "/" "<>") 'hline (list 3 4) (list 5 6))
  #+END_SRC

Org Babel outputs

  #+RESULTS:
  | 1 | 2 |
  |---+---|
  | 3 | 4 |
  | 5 | 6 |

with the second element of the list

  (list "/" "<>")

swallowed, without a word.

Why would Org Babel do this?

And, how can one output tables with column groups?

Rudy
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* Re: Org Babel "swallows" table column groups
  2024-06-28 17:42 ` S. Sajad Hosseini Balef
@ 2024-06-30  8:13   ` Rudolf Adamkovič
  2024-06-30  8:35     ` S. Sajad Hosseini Balef
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Rudolf Adamkovič @ 2024-06-30  8:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: S. Sajad Hosseini Balef; +Cc: emacs-orgmode

"S. Sajad Hosseini Balef" <shosseinib@ut.ac.ir> writes:

> It's seems related to the "<>" bacuse with any other strings I haven't
> such issue.

From what I see, the culprit is the "/" because, as soon as it appears,
Org Babel drops the row from the output.  Then, when I replace the "/"
with something different, such as "xyz", the row is back.

> I tried to fix ob-emacs-lisp.el but there was no success at the
> moment.

I stumbled upon the problem when using Scheme.  The bug report uses
Emacs Lisp only to ease reproduction.  (I should have probably mentioned
that.)  In other words, the problem does not seem to be specific to
Emacs Lisp.

Rudy
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* Re: Org Babel "swallows" table column groups
  2024-06-30  8:13   ` Rudolf Adamkovič
@ 2024-06-30  8:35     ` S. Sajad Hosseini Balef
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: S. Sajad Hosseini Balef @ 2024-06-30  8:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Rudolf Adamkovič; +Cc: emacs-orgmode

It's weird because with swapping "<>" and "/" with escape-syntax character has no problem in the table:

#+BEGIN_SRC emacs-lisp
   (list (list 1 2) (list "\<>" "\/") 'hline (list 3 4) (list 5 6))
#+end_src

#+RESULTS:
|  1 | 2 |
| <> | / |
|----+---|
|  3 | 4 |
|  5 | 6 |

On 6/30/24 11:43 AM, Rudolf Adamkovič wrote:
> "S. Sajad Hosseini Balef" <shosseinib@ut.ac.ir> writes:
>
>> It's seems related to the "<>" bacuse with any other strings I haven't
>> such issue.
>  From what I see, the culprit is the "/" because, as soon as it appears,
> Org Babel drops the row from the output.  Then, when I replace the "/"
> with something different, such as "xyz", the row is back.
>
>> I tried to fix ob-emacs-lisp.el but there was no success at the
>> moment.
> I stumbled upon the problem when using Scheme.  The bug report uses
> Emacs Lisp only to ease reproduction.  (I should have probably mentioned
> that.)  In other words, the problem does not seem to be specific to
> Emacs Lisp.
>
> Rudy


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