From: David Abrahams <dave@boostpro.com>
To: Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com>
Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, John Wiegley <johnw@boostpro.com>
Subject: Re: Bug: org-install must precede customization [7.02trans]
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:01:50 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <m21v6p7r5t.wl%dave@boostpro.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <B3E71F84-1690-4E29-99A0-041AAEE789CE@gmail.com>
Hi Carsten,
I'm sorry to belabor this, but I'm a little confused about what you're
saying.
At Fri, 12 Nov 2010 22:40:10 -0600,
Carsten Dominik wrote:
>
>
> On Nov 12, 2010, at 9:28 PM, David Abrahams wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi Carsten,
> >
> > Is it merely the autoload of org-capture-templates, or is this a
> > general rule for everything in org-install? I think I'm perfectly
> > happy to work with the dependency in place as long as it's documented.
>
> I think that this should work, but it clearly does not. So the only
> clean thing is it to remove it. The proper sequence should be
> to first load org-install and the do any other configuration.
Are you saying "it clearly does not" based solely on the information I
gave you, or is there something else? I ask because what you say is
the "proper sequence" is supported by my experience. When I did
things in that order, everything worked. When I didn't, I ran into
this problem. It still seems to me that fundamental problem was
simply that the ordering requirement wasn't documented... unless
there's some information I'm missing?
Thanks
>
> - Carsten
>
> > For most people it wouldn't be an issue since custom-* puts its
> > custom-set-variables call at the end of the file. I think you need to
> > be using something like initsplit to see the problem.
> >
> > At Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:29:15 -0600,
> > Carsten Dominik wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi David,
> >>
> >> thanks for investigating this.
> >>
> >> It seems to me that the autoload has caused more problems than it
> >> solved - so I have removed the autoload again.
> >>
> >> - Carsten
> >>
> >> On Nov 12, 2010, at 12:45 PM, David Abrahams wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Remember to cover the basics, that is, what you expected to happen
> >>> and
> >>> what in fact did happen. You don't know how to make a good report?
> >>> See
> >>>
> >>> http://orgmode.org/manual/Feedback.html#Feedback
> >>>
> >>> Your bug report will be posted to the Org-mode mailing list.
> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> There's an undocumented dependency between org-install and
> >>> customizations. In particular, if custom-set-variables is called to
> >>> set
> >>> org-capture-templates, and then org-install is loaded,
> >>> org-capture-templates will be reset to nil. I tested this with
> >>>
> >>> emacs -Q
> >>>
> >>> Emacs : GNU Emacs 23.2.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin, NS apple-
> >>> appkit-1038.29)
> >>> of 2010-05-08 on black.local
> >>> Package: Org-mode version 7.02trans
> >>>
> >>> current state:
> >>> ==============
> >>> (setq
> >>> org-agenda-deadline-leaders '("D: " "D%d: ")
> >>> org-clock-in-switch-to-state "STARTED"
> >>> org-agenda-skip-scheduled-if-deadline-is-shown t
> >>> org-export-latex-after-initial-vars-hook '(org-beamer-after-initial-
> >>> vars)
> >>> org-todo-keyword-faces '(("TODO" :foreground "medium blue" :weight
> >>> bold)
> >>> ("APPT" :foreground "medium blue" :weight
> >>> bold)
> >>> ("NOTE" :foreground "brown" :weight bold)
> >>> ("STARTED" :foreground "dark orange"
> >>> :weight bold)
> >>> ("WAITING" :foreground "red" :weight bold)
> >>> ("DELEGATED" :foreground "dark violet"
> >>> :weight bold)
> >>> ("DEFERRED" :foreground "dark blue" :weight
> >>> bold)
> >>> ("SOMEDAY" :foreground "dark blue" :weight
> >>> bold)
> >>> ("PROJECT" :height 1.5 :weight bold
> >>> :foreground "black"))
> >>> org-speed-command-hook '(org-speed-command-default-hook org-babel-
> >>> speed-command-hook)
> >>> org-agenda-custom-commands '(("E" "Errands (next 3 days)" tags
> >>> "Errand&TODO<>\"DONE\"&TODO<>
> >>> \"CANCELLED\"&STYLE<>\"habit\"&SCHEDULED<\"<+3d>\""
> >>> ((org-agenda-overriding-header
> >>> "Errands (next 3 days)")
> >>> )
> >>> )
> >>> ("A" "Priority #A tasks" agenda ""
> >>> ((org-agenda-ndays 1)
> >>> (org-agenda-overriding-header
> >>> "Today's priority #A tasks: ")
> >>> (org-agenda-skip-function
> >>> (quote (org-agenda-skip-entry-if
> >>> (quote notregexp) "\\=.*\\[#A\\]"))
> >>> )
> >>> )
> >>> )
> >>> ("B" "Priority #A and #B tasks" agenda
> >>> ""
> >>> ((org-agenda-ndays 1)
> >>> (org-agenda-overriding-header
> >>> "Today's priority #A and #B tasks: ")
> >>> (org-agenda-skip-function
> >>> (quote (org-agenda-skip-entry-if
> >>> (quote regexp) "\\=.*\\[#C\\]")))
> >>> )
> >>> )
> >>> ("w" "Waiting/delegated tasks" tags
> >>> "TODO=\"WAITING\"|TODO=\"DELEGATED\""
> >>> ((org-agenda-overriding-header
> >>> "Waiting/delegated tasks:")
> >>> (org-agenda-sorting-strategy
> >>> (quote (todo-state-up priority-down
> >>> category-up)))
> >>> )
> >>> )
> >>> ("u" "Unscheduled tasks" tags
> >>> "TODO<>\"\"&TODO<>\"DONE\"&TODO<>
> >>> \"CANCELLED\"&TODO<>\"NOTE\"&CATEGORY<>{CEG\\|ABC\\|Bizcard\\|
> >>> Adagio\
> >>> \|EVAprint\\|\\<IT\\>}"
> >>> ((org-agenda-overriding-header
> >>> "Unscheduled tasks: ")
> >>>
> >>> (org
> >>> -agenda-skip-function
> >>>
> >>> (quote
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> (org
> >>> -agenda-skip-entry-if
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> (quote
> >>> scheduled)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> (quote
> >>> deadline)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> (quote
> >>> timestamp)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> (quote
> >>> regexp)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "\\*
> >>> \\(DEFERRED \\|SOMEDAY\\)")
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> )
> >>>
> >>> )
> >>>
> >>> (org
> >>> -agenda-files
> >>>
> >>> (quote
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ("~
> >>> /Dropbox/todo.txt")
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> )
> >>>
> >>> )
> >>>
> >>> (org
> >>> -agenda-sorting-strategy
> >>>
> >>> (quote
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> (todo
> >>> -state-up priority-down category-up)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> )
> >>>
> >>> )
> >>>
> >>> )
> >>> )
> >>> ("U" "Deferred tasks" tags
> >>> "TODO=\"DEFERRED\"&CATEGORY<>{CEG\\|ABC
> >>> \\|Bizcard\\|Adagio\\|EVAprint\\|\\<IT\\>}"
> >>> ((org-agenda-overriding-header
> >>> "Deferred tasks:")
> >>> )
> >>> )
> >>> ("S" "Someday tasks" tags
> >>> "TODO=\"SOMEDAY\"&CATEGORY<>{CEG\\|ABC\
> >>> \|Bizcard\\|Adagio\\|EVAprint\\|\\<IT\\>}"
> >>> ((org-agenda-overriding-header
> >>> "Someday tasks:")
> >>> )
> >>> )
> >>> ("G" "Ledger tasks (all)" tags-todo
> >>> "TODO<>{SOMEDAY}"
> >>> ((org-agenda-files (quote ("~/src/
> >>> ledger/plan/TODO")))
> >>> (org-agenda-overriding-header "Ledger
> >>> tasks:")
> >>> (org-agenda-sorting-strategy
> >>> (quote (todo-state-up priority-down
> >>> category-up)))
> >>> )
> >>> )
> >>> ("l" "Ledger tasks" tags-todo
> >>> "TODO<>{SOMEDAY\\|DEFERRED}"
> >>> ((org-agenda-files (quote ("~/src/
> >>> ledger/plan/TODO")))
> >>> (org-agenda-overriding-header "Ledger
> >>> tasks:")
> >>> (org-agenda-sorting-strategy
> >>> (quote (todo-state-up priority-down
> >>> category-up)))
> >>> (org-agenda-skip-function
> >>> (quote (org-agenda-skip-entry-if
> >>> (quote regexp) "\\=.*\\[#C\\]")))
> >>> )
> >>> )
> >>> ("L" "Ledger tasks not in Bugzilla"
> >>> alltodo ""
> >>> ((org-agenda-files (quote ("~/src/
> >>> ledger/plan/TODO")))
> >>> (org-agenda-overriding-header "Ledger
> >>> tasks:")
> >>> (org-agenda-sorting-strategy
> >>> (quote (todo-state-up priority-down
> >>> category-up)))
> >>> (org-agenda-skip-function
> >>> (quote (org-agenda-skip-entry-if
> >>> (quote regexp) "\\(bug:\\)")))
> >>> )
> >>> )
> >>> ("r" "Uncategorized items" tags
> >>> "CATEGORY=\"Inbox\"&LEVEL=2"
> >>> ((org-agenda-overriding-header
> >>> "Uncategorized items")))
> >>> ("W" "Unscheduled work tasks" tags
> >>> "CATEGORY={CEG\\|ABC\\|Bizcard\\|Adagio
> >>> \\|IT\\|EVAprint}&CATEGORY<>\"Website\"&TODO<>\"DONE\"&TODO<>
> >>> \"CANCELLED\"&TODO<>\"NOTE\"&TODO<>\"\"&LEVEL>1"
> >>> ((org-agenda-overriding-header
> >>> "Unscheduled work tasks")
> >>>
> >>> (org
> >>> -agenda-skip-function
> >>>
> >>> (quote
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> (org
> >>> -agenda-skip-entry-if
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> (quote
> >>> scheduled)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> (quote
> >>> deadline)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> )
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> )
> >>>
> >>> )
> >>>
> >>> (org
> >>> -agenda-sorting-strategy
> >>>
> >>> (quote
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> (todo
> >>> -state-up priority-down)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> )
> >>>
> >>> )
> >>>
> >>> )
> >>> )
> >>> ("z" "CEG tasks not in Bugzilla" tags
> >>> "CATEGORY={CEG\\|ABC\\|Bizcard\\|Adagio
> >>> \\|IT\\|EVAprint}&CATEGORY<>{Website\\|Admin}&TODO<>\"DONE\"&TODO<>
> >>> \"CANCELLED\"&TODO<>\"NOTE\"&TODO<>\"\"&LEVEL>1&SCOPE<>\"local\""
> >>> ((org-agenda-overriding-header "CEG
> >>> tasks not in Bugzilla")
> >>>
> >>> (org
> >>> -agenda-skip-function
> >>>
> >>> (quote
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> (org
> >>> -agenda-skip-entry-if
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> (quote
> >>> regexp)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "\\(cegbug
> >>> :\\)")
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> )
> >>>
> >>> )
> >>>
> >>> )
> >>> )
> >>> ("Z" "CEG tasks in Bugzilla" tags
> >>> "CATEGORY={CEG\\|ABC\\|Bizcard\\|Adagio
> >>> \\|IT\\|EVAprint}&TODO<>\"DONE\"&TODO<>\"CANCELLED\"&TODO<>
> >>> \"DELEGATED\"&TODO<>\"NOTE\"&LEVEL>1"
> >>> ((org-agenda-overriding-header "CEG
> >>> tasks in Bugzilla")
> >>>
> >>> (org
> >>> -agenda-skip-function
> >>>
> >>> (quote
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> (org
> >>> -agenda-skip-entry-if
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> (quote
> >>> notregexp)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "cegbug
> >>> :")
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> )
> >>>
> >>> )
> >>>
> >>> (org
> >>> -agenda-sorting-strategy
> >>>
> >>> (quote
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> (todo
> >>> -state-up category-down priority-down user-defined-up)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> )
> >>>
> >>> )
> >>>
> >>> )
> >>> )
> >>> )
> >>> org-agenda-files '("~/Dropbox/todo.txt" "~/Dropbox/Projects")
> >>> org-agenda-include-diary t
> >>> org-blocker-hook '(org-block-todo-from-children-or-siblings-or-
> >>> parent)
> >>> org-agenda-menu-two-column t
> >>> org-agenda-tags-column -100
> >>> org-hide-leading-stars t
> >>> org-clock-into-drawer "LOGBOOK"
> >>> org-completion-use-ido t
> >>> org-metaup-hook '(org-babel-load-in-session-maybe)
> >>> org-footnote-section nil
> >>> org-agenda-scheduled-leaders '("" "S%d: ")
> >>> org-archive-save-context-info '(time category itags)
> >>> org-after-todo-state-change-hook '(org-clock-out-if-current)
> >>> org-agenda-text-search-extra-files '(agenda-archives)
> >>> org-archive-location "TODO-archive::"
> >>> org-agenda-skip-unavailable-files t
> >>> org-agenda-default-appointment-duration 60
> >>> org-time-clocksum-use-fractional t
> >>> org-agenda-sorting-strategy '((agenda habit-down time-up todo-state-
> >>> up priority-down category-keep)
> >>> (todo priority-down category-keep)
> >>> (tags priority-down category-keep)
> >>> (search category-keep))
> >>> org-export-blocks-postblock-hook '(org-exp-res/src-name-cleanup)
> >>> org-agenda-prefix-format '((agenda . " %-11:c%?-12t% s") (timeline
> >>> . " % s") (todo . " %-11:c")
> >>> (tags . " %-11:c"))
> >>> org-habit-preceding-days 42
> >>> org-export-latex-format-toc-function 'org-export-latex-format-toc-
> >>> default
> >>> org-agenda-skip-scheduled-if-done t
> >>> org-stuck-projects '("+LEVEL=1/-DONE" ("TODO" "STARTED" "NEXT"
> >>> "NEXTACTION") nil
> >>> "\\(Appointments\\|Notes\\|Anniversaries\\)")
> >>> org-clock-in-resume t
> >>> org-export-preprocess-hook '(org-eval-replace-snippts)
> >>> org-tab-first-hook '(org-hide-block-toggle-maybe org-src-native-tab-
> >>> command-maybe
> >>> org-babel-hide-result-toggle-maybe)
> >>> org-src-mode-hook '(org-src-babel-configure-edit-buffer
> >>> org-src-mode-
> >>> configure-edit-buffer)
> >>> org-mac-mail-account "GMail: BoostPro"
> >>> org-cycle-global-at-bob t
> >>> org-confirm-shell-link-function nil
> >>> org-reveal-start-hook '(org-decrypt-entry)
> >>> org-export-first-hook '(org-beamer-initialize-open-trackers)
> >>> org-use-tag-inheritance nil
> >>> org-clock-persist 'history
> >>> org-todo-keywords '((sequence "TODO" "APPT" "|" "DONE" "NOTE"))
> >>> org-agenda-before-write-hook '(org-agenda-add-entry-text)
> >>> org-M-RET-may-split-line '((headline) (default . t))
> >>> org-default-notes-file "~/Dropbox/todo.txt"
> >>> org-directory "~/Dropbox/Projects"
> >>> org-tag-alist '((#("LUANN" 0 5 (face nil)) . 110) (#("WORK" 0 4
> >>> (face nil)) . 119))
> >>> org-agenda-persistent-filter t
> >>> org-babel-pre-tangle-hook '(save-buffer)
> >>> org-cycle-hook '(org-cycle-hide-archived-subtrees org-cycle-hide-
> >>> drawers org-cycle-show-empty-lines
> >>> org-optimize-window-after-visibility-change)
> >>> org-export-preprocess-before-normalizing-links-hook '(org-remove-
> >>> file-link-modifiers)
> >>> org-use-speed-commands t
> >>> org-mode-hook '((lambda nil (local-set-key [(control 44)] (quote
> >>> backward-word)))
> >>> #[nil "\300\301\302\303\304$\207"
> >>> [org-add-hook change-major-mode-hook org-show-
> >>> block-all append local] 5]
> >>> #[nil "\300\301\302\303\304$\207"
> >>> [org-add-hook change-major-mode-hook org-babel-
> >>> show-result-all append local] 5]
> >>> org-babel-result-hide-spec org-babel-hide-all-hashes)
> >>> org-agenda-menu-show-matcher nil
> >>> org-clock-out-remove-zero-time-clocks t
> >>> org-font-lock-hook '(org-eval-handle-snippets)
> >>> org-agenda-ndays 1
> >>> org-refile-targets '((org-agenda-files :level . 1) (org-agenda-
> >>> files :todo . "PROJECT"))
> >>> org-extend-today-until 2
> >>> org-ctrl-c-ctrl-c-hook '(org-babel-hash-at-point org-babel-execute-
> >>> safely-maybe)
> >>> org-confirm-elisp-link-function nil
> >>> org-fast-tag-selection-single-key 'expert
> >>> org-todo-repeat-to-state "TODO"
> >>> org-clock-modeline-total 'current
> >>> org-agenda-start-on-weekday nil
> >>> org-agenda-fontify-priorities t
> >>> org-export-interblocks '((lob org-babel-exp-lob-one-liners) (src
> >>> org-
> >>> babel-exp-inline-src-blocks))
> >>> org-enforce-todo-dependencies t
> >>> org-agenda-skip-deadline-if-done t
> >>> org-reverse-note-order t
> >>> org-occur-hook '(org-first-headline-recenter)
> >>> org-export-preprocess-before-selecting-backend-code-hook '(org-
> >>> beamer-select-beamer-code)
> >>> org-agenda-cmp-user-defined 'org-cmp-ceg-bugs
> >>> org-export-preprocess-after-include-files-hook '(org-export-blocks-
> >>> preprocess)
> >>> org-tags-column -97
> >>> org-modules '(org-crypt org-id org-habit org-mac-message org-
> >>> bookmark org-eval)
> >>> org-agenda-auto-exclude-function 'org-my-auto-exclude-function
> >>> org-ellipsis 'org-habit-alert-face
> >>> org-export-latex-final-hook '(org-beamer-amend-header
> >>> org-beamer-fix-
> >>> toc
> >>> org-beamer-auto-fragile-frames
> >>> org-beamer-place-default-actions-for-
> >>> lists)
> >>> org-metadown-hook '(org-babel-pop-to-session-maybe)
> >>> org-clock-idle-time 10
> >>> org-attach-method 'mv
> >>> org-export-blocks '((src org-babel-exp-src-blocks nil) (comment org-
> >>> export-blocks-format-comment t)
> >>> (ditaa org-export-blocks-format-ditaa nil)
> >>> (dot org-export-blocks-format-dot nil))
> >>> )
> >>> --
> >>> Dave Abrahams
> >>> BoostPro Computing
> >>> http://www.boostpro.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Emacs-orgmode mailing list
> >>> Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list.
> >>> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
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> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Dave Abrahams
> > BoostPro Computing
> > http://www.boostpro.com
> >
>
--
Dave Abrahams
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-11-13 5:02 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-11-12 18:45 Bug: org-install must precede customization [7.02trans] David Abrahams
2010-11-12 22:29 ` Carsten Dominik
2010-11-13 3:28 ` David Abrahams
2010-11-13 4:40 ` Carsten Dominik
2010-11-13 5:01 ` David Abrahams [this message]
2010-11-13 5:50 ` Carsten Dominik
2010-11-14 13:28 ` David Abrahams
2010-11-13 5:55 ` Anupam Sengupta
2010-11-13 6:00 ` Carsten Dominik
2010-11-14 13:29 ` David Abrahams
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