From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: tsd@tsdye.com (Thomas S. Dye) Subject: Re: LaTeX export of lists Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 09:45:41 -1000 Message-ID: References: <87r55fa6oe.fsf@gmail.com> <87mxg2aguo.fsf@gmail.com> <87hb56deux.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> <87k4a2olgj.fsf@gmail.com> <87boveoctu.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:57617) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QwJOX-0004zT-4G for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 15:45:50 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QwJOV-0004Nv-Ln for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 15:45:48 -0400 Received: from oproxy9.bluehost.com ([69.89.24.6]:59498) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QwJOV-0004NP-ED for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 15:45:47 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87boveoctu.fsf@gmail.com> (Nicolas Goaziou's message of "Wed, 24 Aug 2011 20:59:25 +0200") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Nicolas Goaziou Cc: Org-mode Nicolas Goaziou writes: > tsd@tsdye.com (Thomas S. Dye) writes: > >> I've just browsed the Document Structure chapter of the Org-mode manual: >> paragraphs aren't mentioned! > > They are in "11.1 Structural markup elements" > Yes, somewhat incongruously. To my mind, the markup elements are blank lines and \\, not paragraphs. >> I'm not trying to be pedantic here and hold out for the presence or >> absence of blank lines to indicate a paragraph break in Org-mode. For >> the use case of lists set within a paragraph some other mechanism might >> be more appropriate. > > I would suggest #+begin_latex #+end_latex for such specific needs > (paralist). > Yes, but this solution misses the great pleasure and convenience of working with Org-mode lists. It is something I can live with if it proves impractical to keep the current configuration, however. >> But this circles back to the more general question of how paragraphs are >> indicated in Org-mode. Is it the blank line alone, or the blank line and >> other mechanisms? > > There is no strict definition of a paragraph in Org core, yet. That's > why every exporter comes out with its own. > > Though, a blank line is definitely seen as a paragraph break, as any > paragraph starter. So, what are these paragraph starters? Here are some: > - any line starting with #+, maybe indented. That includes keywords, > blocks, comments... > - fixed-width lines > - items > - headlines. > > Now, defining a paragraph in Org wouldn't necessary be a bad thing for > exporters. This would just add information they could deliberately throw > away. That's why, again, keeping the exact number of blank lines is > important (for when they will throw the information away). > Thanks very much for this, to me, clear explanation of the issue. I'm convinced that I've been able to make my points understood and will happily use the Org-mode that you and others are so kind to develop, with or without the ability to set Org-mode lists within paragraphs via LaTeX. All the best, Tom > Regards, -- T.S. Dye & Colleagues, Archaeologists 735 Bishop St, Suite 315, Honolulu, HI 96813 Tel: 808-529-0866, Fax: 808-529-0884 http://www.tsdye.com