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From: tsd@tsdye.com (Thomas S. Dye)
To: Nicolas Goaziou <n.goaziou@gmail.com>
Cc: Org-mode <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: LaTeX export of lists
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 09:45:41 -1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m1ippmlhju.fsf@tsdye.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87boveoctu.fsf@gmail.com> (Nicolas Goaziou's message of "Wed, 24 Aug 2011 20:59:25 +0200")

Nicolas Goaziou <n.goaziou@gmail.com> writes:

> tsd@tsdye.com (Thomas S. Dye) writes:
>
>> I've just browsed the Document Structure chapter of the Org-mode manual:
>> paragraphs aren't mentioned!
>
> They are in "11.1 Structural markup elements"
>

Yes, somewhat incongruously.  To my mind, the markup elements are blank
lines and \\, not paragraphs.

>> I'm not trying to be pedantic here and hold out for the presence or
>> absence of blank lines to indicate a paragraph break in Org-mode.  For
>> the use case of lists set within a paragraph some other mechanism might
>> be more appropriate.

>
> I would suggest #+begin_latex #+end_latex for such specific needs
> (paralist).
>

Yes, but this solution misses the great pleasure and convenience of
working with Org-mode lists.  It is something I can live with if it
proves impractical to keep the current configuration, however.

>> But this circles back to the more general question of how paragraphs are
>> indicated in Org-mode.  Is it the blank line alone, or the blank line and
>> other mechanisms?
>
> There is no strict definition of a paragraph in Org core, yet. That's
> why every exporter comes out with its own.
>
> Though, a blank line is definitely seen as a paragraph break, as any
> paragraph starter. So, what are these paragraph starters? Here are some:
>   - any line starting with #+, maybe indented. That includes keywords,
>     blocks, comments...
>   - fixed-width lines
>   - items
>   - headlines.
>
> Now, defining a paragraph in Org wouldn't necessary be a bad thing for
> exporters. This would just add information they could deliberately throw
> away. That's why, again, keeping the exact number of blank lines is
> important (for when they will throw the information away).
>

Thanks very much for this, to me, clear explanation of the issue.  I'm
convinced that I've been able to make my points understood and will
happily use the Org-mode that you and others are so kind to develop,
with or without the ability to set Org-mode lists within paragraphs via
LaTeX.

All the best,
Tom

> Regards,

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  reply	other threads:[~2011-08-24 19:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-07-24 16:16 LaTeX export of lists Thomas S. Dye
2011-07-24 16:44 ` Nick Dokos
2011-07-24 18:13 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2011-07-24 19:18   ` Thomas S. Dye
2011-07-25  8:45     ` Nicolas Goaziou
2011-07-25 16:15       ` Thomas S. Dye
2011-08-24 15:11         ` Eric S Fraga
2011-08-24 15:53           ` Nicolas Goaziou
2011-08-24 17:39             ` Thomas S. Dye
2011-08-24 18:59               ` Nicolas Goaziou
2011-08-24 19:45                 ` Thomas S. Dye [this message]
2011-08-24 16:40           ` Achim Gratz
2011-08-24 17:08           ` Thomas S. Dye
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-11-28 14:33 Thomas S. Dye
2010-11-28 15:05 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2010-11-28 18:40   ` Thomas S. Dye
2010-11-29  8:43     ` Sébastien Mengin
2010-11-27 22:02 Thomas S. Dye
2010-11-28  6:40 ` Richard Lawrence

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