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It is a command on page two > of http://tug.ctan.org/macros/latex/contrib/natbib/natnotes.pdf that > one can use. Hmmm... but I would say that the natbib command \citetext is more a helper/workaround for the missing prefix/suffix options that biblatex provides. See also the example in the natbib documentation (~texdoc natbib~ or http://tug.ctan.org/macros/latex/contrib/natbib/natbib.pdf) in section 2.4 (page 8): \citetext{see \citealp{jon90}, or even better \citealp{jam91}} This is possible (and I would say easier) with biblatex and Org with the prefix/suffix text options/syntax: A way to include some additional text inside the citation block. If inside \citetext no other \cite... command is used, its just the given text in parentheses. No special formatting, no interaction with the bibliography. Here's the definition of the command (from natbib.sty): \newcommand\citetext[1]{\NAT@open#1\NAT@close} It's just the given text surrounded by the chosen citation block markers (either empty for superscripts, "(..)", "[..]", "$<$..$>$", or "{..}"). So there is not much to gain from this command in the context of Org with its rather rich cite syntax that is more expressive than that of natbib. As Emmanuel said: If you want a proper entry in the bibliography, then add the item to the database (e.g. @misc{pm, author={Me}, title={Personal Communication}, year=1984}) and cite it as any other item. Or use a macro if you want such comments to be easily searchable/changeable. -- Until the next mail..., Stefan.