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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -4.68 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 3CD0121358 X-Spam-Score: -4.68 X-TUID: P64D/lznVvPr Ihor Radchenko writes: > The downside of lualatex is that it is slower: > https://list.orgmode.org/orgmode/87a69j9c6s.fsf@localhost/ BTW: One of the discussion points in that thread has been the problem of default fonts. With pdflatex the default font is CM (Computer Modern) and if the appropriate packages are installed, you automatically get cyrillic letters. That's why Max is a fan of this solution. With lualatex the default font is LM (Latin Modern; quite similar to CM, but some metrics differ). And AFAIK LM is still worse in the range of supported Unicode characters. But only recently I discovered a package called "fontsetup". And this package seems to provide a big step towards the goal discussed in the above mentioned thread: Provide default fonts for most common situations. The goal of fontsetup is more about easy switching between different fonts, e.g. with the option "cambria" set everything up such that the Microsoft Cambria font family is used and fall back to proper fonts where Cambria has gaps. But that's also something that would be nice for Org. Maybe we should have a closer look at this (I have no real world experience with this package, only played a little bit with it). -- Until the next mail..., Stefan.