From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: tsd@tsdye.com (Thomas S. Dye) Subject: Re: LaTeX export of lists Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 07:39:18 -1000 Message-ID: References: <87r55fa6oe.fsf@gmail.com> <87mxg2aguo.fsf@gmail.com> <87hb56deux.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> <87k4a2olgj.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:52993) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QwHQE-0001dj-4z for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 13:39:27 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QwHQC-0007Hu-DW for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 13:39:26 -0400 Received: from oproxy1-pub.bluehost.com ([66.147.249.253]:58922) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QwHQC-0007HS-6Q for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 13:39:24 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87k4a2olgj.fsf@gmail.com> (Nicolas Goaziou's message of "Wed, 24 Aug 2011 17:53:00 +0200") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Nicolas Goaziou Cc: Org-mode Nicolas Goaziou writes: > Hello, > > Eric S Fraga writes: > >> Latex does have the concept of lists within paragraphs in that >> paragraph boundaries are defined by blank lines. So, if you have a >> begin{itemize}...end{itemize} with no blank lines before and after, the >> list implicitly is part of the enclosing paragraph. > > That's why I talked about "LaTeXism". > >> whether lists exported from org should automatically be within >> paragraphs or not is unclear. > > For the record: > > From Org view, lists and paragraphs are distinct elements. More > accurately, lists can hold paragraphs, but not the opposite. > > From LaTeX view, it's true that a list can belong to a paragraph. But, > again, such a thing is impossible in HTML, in OpenDocument, where "the > list is a paragraph-level element"[1], and in DocBook. > > So this is consistent with most of the exporters encountered in > Org. Now, to provide compatibility with LaTeX, Org export system has to > respect blank lines (or the absence thereof) in the buffer. > Aloha Nicolas, I've just browsed the Document Structure chapter of the Org-mode manual: paragraphs aren't mentioned! I've always indicated paragraph breaks in Org-mode with a blank line, but I realize that this might just be a holdover from my long use of LaTeX. Are there other ways to indicate a paragraph break in Org-mode? As for lists within paragraphs being a Latexism, I would say that the other specs you cite appear to lack a structured way to accomplish something that is, in fact, quite common in printed text. There is nothing wrong with leaving a common print structure like this unstructured, but I find it very convenient to use a structured approach, as provided by the paralist package in LaTeX. I'm not trying to be pedantic here and hold out for the presence or absence of blank lines to indicate a paragraph break in Org-mode. For the use case of lists set within a paragraph some other mechanism might be more appropriate. But this circles back to the more general question of how paragraphs are indicated in Org-mode. Is it the blank line alone, or the blank line and other mechanisms? All the best, Tom > > Regards, > > [1] http://docs.oasis-open.org/office/v1.1/OS/OpenDocument-v1.1-html/OpenDocument-v1.1.html#4.3.Lists|outline -- T.S. Dye & Colleagues, Archaeologists 735 Bishop St, Suite 315, Honolulu, HI 96813 Tel: 808-529-0866, Fax: 808-529-0884 http://www.tsdye.com