From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Herbert Sitz Subject: Re: New version of VimOrganizer, an Org-mode clone in Vim Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 23:26:57 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:56893) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RM6gn-0006qu-1Q for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2011 19:27:18 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RM6gl-0003Sj-Jk for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2011 19:27:17 -0400 Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:44751) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RM6gl-0003ST-9C for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2011 19:27:15 -0400 Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RM6gh-0007ms-VF for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Nov 2011 00:27:12 +0100 Received: from c-24-22-131-140.hsd1.wa.comcast.net ([24.22.131.140]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 04 Nov 2011 00:27:11 +0100 Received: from hesitz by c-24-22-131-140.hsd1.wa.comcast.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 04 Nov 2011 00:27:11 +0100 List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Michael Brand gmail.com> writes: > > or at a similar place that there is also the possibility to have the > vi modal editing paradigm and most of the vi key bindings within Emacs > itself by using a vi emulation like Viper mode. (I use Emacs with > Viper mode all the time to have the best of both worlds.) > > Michael > Michael -- No problem, this issue was of course brought up when I started the project a year or so ago. Actually for the many Vim users who have tried to make the transition to Emacs I think it is pretty well known that there are several different Vim emulators for Emacs. (Evil is a fairly new one I still want to try out; I'm not sure but I think it's by same team and intended to supplant Vimpulse, which itself extends Viper: http://gitorious.org/evil ) In any case, for several people who contacted me about editing Org documents, and who had no preference for Vim over Emacs, I of course recommended that they go with Emacs. That's a no brainer. I use Viper/Vimpulse myself when in Emacs, and while nice, I certainly would not say it gives me the best of both worlds. It gives me Emacs, which is great, along with a useful but somewhat kludgy-feeling emulation of a decent chunk of Vim stuff. Good enough for some people trying to make the switch to Emacs. Not good enough for many, who have tried to make the switch only to turn back to Vim. You may be aware that the Org project itself is one of the major reasons people try to switch from Vim to Emacs. I was one of those people who tried and didn't like working in Emacs, despite using Viper/Vimpulse. Even now when I use Org-mode I mostly operate it using the menu system, not with the key-chord-combinations. One neat idea, I think, would be for someone to extend Viper/Vimpulse/(or Evil) with keybindings that provide a usable Vim-type modal interface to Org-mode's features. That could be nice. Regards, Herb