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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1663166243; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=plB5klRXVhJZ5QJUKW+MEehcLUxoXoTktKfGFeV5fe4=; b=eEHxWidNOhRqzfyxQ5yfUdDLFffE5A8PpYbsB/bdwMbbU0cV1FEBkQ8Y3Ihr7Cp0biib5v Jc/RiBMPZd5qByx2ZlqzCYxVDYP4VQqFsjXIxtyqA4lD/TIaJGWGoow4kdbSQznDX9ySIe g21/nLIMJtg9WVhUwr/g4Yra8X2jA4xy/q2qwbg4Y1S+URRQi7Ev899tpRmAGZiRYaRD6j nQERY/TJMKH6zGUzMnMMC/1pOBCMdpve1c5btXIzJ5s7moVoj0olGx5gQIMz71OFc16VmQ AYpdyx8osIRbde/lD8xyQalUp4ycLe04IXnvws3qRZQVa5MPVFqbQzZahcCnyQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1663166243; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=MP4VezomEk1dCdlIODkUUkweiBtqInrMlaJyT3eS58UBp9kqL7E5UoxfndZiKBsuQbfvyG 3n236TiR/RCYHq6jhJnq4msCNDwWbmwtnJsiQvw6+Rc/jVQSg2I1lhNlFoXT9MPsz0bd1F QB9m6DSyf3F0kAP2IRSqxkftxczA/S1SVwiDYceCiSoNXbtcV2kfb8yDt9c664e3EBXgTD ZYptajLo2MGjuxn28XB33gHllbXyn7DT+zyQbW5sDFK2srqHN6imMEhp7PTdFrIc7S+/wl 7kgLROSPLthhAKBL8yPO/bFV+iyAaFdeK7eoQe9/awnJiC+7yK5WMKBZ//ii6Q== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=iro.umontreal.ca header.s=mail header.b=GsnS+LgD; dmarc=pass (policy=quarantine) header.from=iro.umontreal.ca; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -7.12 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=iro.umontreal.ca header.s=mail header.b=GsnS+LgD; dmarc=pass (policy=quarantine) header.from=iro.umontreal.ca; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 8D6D842D40 X-Spam-Score: -7.12 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: 9qKYy2TVPMm1 >> In my book step 3 above is a mistake (even if moved to step 2). > I am confused. > AFAIK, changing the load-path is a common way for users to install > packages manually. No, you're not confused, I just think that installing packages manually (including messing with `load-path` and writing `(autoload ...)` in your init file) is very last century :-) Stefan