From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp10.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms0.migadu.com with LMTPS id QJK/GF78RmJzWQEAgWs5BA (envelope-from ) for ; Fri, 01 Apr 2022 15:21:34 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp10.migadu.com with LMTPS id aBRyEV78RmIlsAAAG6o9tA (envelope-from ) for ; Fri, 01 Apr 2022 15:21:34 +0200 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E7BE136802 for ; Fri, 1 Apr 2022 15:21:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:45336 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1naHDY-0004Vl-LV for larch@yhetil.org; Fri, 01 Apr 2022 09:21:32 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:51462) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1naHCN-0004Sx-Se for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Apr 2022 09:20:19 -0400 Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:27137) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1naHCL-0006cb-0G; Fri, 01 Apr 2022 09:20:18 -0400 Received: from pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 4A9DF80695; Fri, 1 Apr 2022 09:20:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 4025980582; Fri, 1 Apr 2022 09:20:12 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1648819212; bh=c91Nga1PhXdmqm/MjxIn5Q14r8JGwEeS6Wy1dEWo+v0=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=lgOpyOADerimdrQnw1qwr6YsQmzkEDRwbQLcHemg9tMRbDmILf1UfsQ5LNqY9h5Ul Bpt0oVZfSzk+Lp7AA5T8mBp6Iui0H34DeNW0QBE6+ueuoRKwIzQTe4FxxMw5KRYkQK lG5hg9hVN9r4Jwb3wk59SxBS7D3KlmdCkbPjF3h3GXuuHGIxI4fU8PfOpznk34aa1M HV2HP7PZT2lFEiozVQlPk0rT+MERfR3e/ElijP7rNQo/A1/hdScME+uIQoF6z80nDd bnu4u7sE250o0wYGe3V1Mu6Qbtn7fSMc1Eo+Ry0WdZtjmllMjeEQg8VubvKq0Gfm2J svkg0C0bbrrzw== Received: from ceviche (unknown [45.44.229.252]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1B082120270; Fri, 1 Apr 2022 09:20:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Samuel Wales Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, Bastien Subject: Re: Drop defadvice from Org Message-ID: References: <87a6drnsv6.fsf@gnu.org> <87a6dq46kd.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2022 09:20:10 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Samuel Wales's message of "Thu, 31 Mar 2022 23:29:44 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1648819294; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=nfivhWvso6eGGVPZ8w4L7AQbQJbbkpX17KK0b0w19Wk=; b=X+C+SVS3j+ykfanAXqyAXgM5fVc04k0N2BTaGUFX5SQp+PzkWsolcEEm9VtqCCNCnmQIsE qPUUrKaxwvTbIlFWi04X/XBI6YQVyBeSN7ai9sZ5ZN9NGLTVBDqp1v8CWs7T/qAOdKdhv5 yEV3V+33p/Y/C3VIeI0ZX9fGm3iyQYW6SucXkqHVS7IXWncE1noeuOg2EjRt+QnPt0mutz s6adJsXP5t0RK5oxe5+ov0CojzB8Fi67FaODs616Ur1Rg2H3VD6mfu9f1asnWW/vpoXacq o0eis4AoFL2Khz1NTYSyYU4XCojnGvYkaw5fqx0nV+RRpOhV/znWfJNIELRs6Q== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1648819294; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=pBkeA7z4JrU6rZWnTyMXUuq0IFgvBeiMVCpS73fktCHbBp/uzKhq11EbraiKscXIbkAuZ+ WAxp+XYPpldklnJAeu95HnEqfVGi8olAhGK5PY1OkwuoGHz+v6HpKnR30ilgVegeCE86MH SeahzkwpvRk1sJn26co9mfuAyXed/IKL07v67FbEr1q+C3tAGHtWNkqOi9yk0KBquNsy9E G2hAuHv67jWL1dBxorG56qQCIYWFGYzE2gXz4H9+Ljv3PmPclKMCaCfxwYKaKB8tBaxbfs 6drJWhTUHcMqTHpHiZCCjpiNzhjP7qmEzR+p1/XRM/HRV+NIcODsBjiEGcu1Ng== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=iro.umontreal.ca header.s=mail header.b=lgOpyOAD; dmarc=pass (policy=quarantine) header.from=iro.umontreal.ca; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -5.27 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=iro.umontreal.ca header.s=mail header.b=lgOpyOAD; dmarc=pass (policy=quarantine) header.from=iro.umontreal.ca; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: E7BE136802 X-Spam-Score: -5.27 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: yJrVSFKaTids > i was ok with the scold for a long time about (` thing but my reactin > time slowed significantly and that was trivial-er. The (` transition was not handled ideally, to be honest: we declared them obsolete very early but only started emitting warnings much later, so the transition period have seemed short for those who only learned about it when the warning appeared. > 2040 is when i will begin figuring out or finding some long lost > convert thing, and then decide to do something about my carefully > self-cargo-culted advice. fortunately, debian on the trailing edge > will give me a bit more. Also, note that ever since `nadvice.el` appeared, `advice.el` was "reimplemented" as a layer on top of `nadvice.el`, so when it finally gets removed from Emacs, I'd expect that `advice.el` could be added to GNU ELPA for those who want to keep using it (typically because of some old and unmaintained package). [ The same might happen with `cl.el`. ] Stefan