From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp10.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms5.migadu.com with LMTPS id qDv+MRugmmM1LQEAbAwnHQ (envelope-from ) for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2022 05:18:35 +0100 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp10.migadu.com with LMTPS id MBMOMRugmmOqBwAAG6o9tA (envelope-from ) for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2022 05:18:35 +0100 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1731A2A98F for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2022 05:18:35 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p5fgf-00049X-TE; Wed, 14 Dec 2022 23:17:37 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p5fgf-00049K-9e for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2022 23:17:37 -0500 Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p5fgc-0002hm-Vp; Wed, 14 Dec 2022 23:17:36 -0500 Received: from pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 0A680100587; Wed, 14 Dec 2022 23:17:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 1FAE7100563; Wed, 14 Dec 2022 23:17:31 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1671077851; bh=cTCNDK3R12tQfqYzUZBatZn1ck5VzN79QiU2hDzoF3k=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=oXEokMbHC5uifrmBZP7jrhbP6pqPhiYN0lAORF/N7IwcNvkUqkG7RKMx62UiwdFFP Nlk2EmCQ6Px1UkzV8jV1jPwff8HWoWVdJvptpQjH8+C/NZa3S6V/wtDzww3a4rr18O 6LyB0PC434YE9O3RGEOf+bf0QjdHwx2kvuaho86jXq7Nzdm5fqibjna6AqHNRaHMUP PmNAmvX4BoiCQHL/zUg32kGUAwZW29E7+AVi3PEKPORwLrMFx/PjJ1Qe/qKNo/JVfL cFncilFEXL9WSfJOhS8w5GHz1Ac7HFDkippYTy8gl5TbgzAzXa20zSXL1S/tj1w/pW MzKm8sR8NukKg== Received: from pastel (unknown [45.72.193.52]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9F42012019B; Wed, 14 Dec 2022 23:17:30 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier To: Max Nikulin Cc: Ihor Radchenko , Eli Zaretskii , emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, 59882@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#59882: Multiple versions of Org in load-path problem In-Reply-To: <3bf2e057-4204-cdc8-0847-39a723db4fc8@gmail.com> (Max Nikulin's message of "Wed, 14 Dec 2022 23:02:53 +0700") Message-ID: References: <87tu27jq7h.fsf@localhost> <87k032nyok.fsf@localhost> <39a5810d-75bc-4ddb-8722-703f762ed4de@app.fastmail.com> <835yel11x8.fsf@gnu.org> <87edt2qpoa.fsf@localhost> <83359innsp.fsf@gnu.org> <87pmcmt8cc.fsf@localhost> <3bf2e057-4204-cdc8-0847-39a723db4fc8@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2022 23:17:22 -0500 User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." 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It was the first time this >>> ever happened to me. I did try to explicitly enter the variable's >>> name by entering 'org-goto', which (like 'org-go') is not >>> enough: it is completed to 'org--goto'. >> AFAICT this is a missing feature: we obey `help-enable-autoload` in >> `describe-function` but we fail to do the same autoloading dance in >> `describe-variable`. > > I think, the difference is interactive vs. non-interactive calls rather than > `describe-function' vs. `describe-variable'. What misses this feature is > `customize-variable'. > > Completion failure for "org-to" happened because result of > `register-definition-prefixes' calls is not considered as options. I am > aware that it may give false positives, but I still believe they should > be added. I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you're saying. > Though I believe that org mixed version issue happens due to transitional > dependency of some third party package on org or something like (require > 'org-protocol) that can not be loaded on demand. Hmm... indeed the "Subject:" talks about mixed versions, yet I was discussing something not directly related. Looks like I got off-topic somewhere along the way without noticing, sorry. Stefan