Time Stamps?

Time Stamps?

[David Frascone]

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I've been using a lot of the great info at this site (
http://doc.norang.ca/org-mode.html) , and I have some questions:


When using timestamps, I like the time in there too.  And, I like to stamp
every entry, so my status looks nice.  But, I'm having a couple of problems:

   1. Can I make all timestamps put the time?  In other words, can I make
   C-c ! always do the same thing as C-u C-c !
   2. Where should I put the timestamp?  Where do you guys think it looks
   best?  Before the text?  After?  Still getting a feel for things.
   3. Clocking.  That site does a lot of it, and I mostly like it.  But, I'm
   not sure how I should clock in in the AM.  Almost always, I try to enter
   something quickly with remember, and I haven't started a clock yet.  I'm
   considering taking out the timing stuff now . . . any pointers?


Thanks in advance,

-Dave

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Re: Time Stamps?

[Bernt Hansen]

Hi David,

Answers are inline.

David Frascone <dave@frascone.com> writes:

> I've been using a lot of the great info at this site
> (http://doc.norang.ca/org-mode.html) , and I have some questions:
>
> When using timestamps, I like the time in there too.  And, I like to
> stamp every entry, so my status looks nice.  But, I'm having a couple
> of problems:
>
>  1. Can I make all timestamps put the time?  In other words, can I
>  make C-c ! always do the same thing as C-u C-c !
>

I use a key binding for this:  f9-t which creates a timestamp like this
at point.  [2010-05-03 Mon 14:52]  The binding for that is documented at
http://doc.norang.ca/org-mode.html#sec-15_21

>  2. Where should I put the timestamp?  Where do you guys think it
>  looks best?  Before the text?  After?  Still getting a feel for
>  things.

Anywhere in the body of the text works fine for me.  My remember
templates put the timestamp after the clock drawer

  * TODO blah
  :CLOCK:...
  [2010-05-03 Mon 14:59]
  [[link to stuff]]

but anywhere will work - it's just text.

>
>  3. Clocking.  That site does a lot of it, and I mostly like it.  But,
>     I'm not sure how I should clock in in the AM.  Almost always, I
>     try to enter something quickly with remember, and I haven't
>     started a clock yet.  I'm considering taking out the timing stuff
>     now . . . any pointers?

The first thing I do when I clock-in in the morning is hit either f9-o
or f9-m to clock in my organization or read mail task (depending on
which one I start first).  From there remember tasks interrupt the clock
temporarily and clocking continues on whatever I work on until I
manually clock out.

HTH,
Bernt

Re: Time Stamps?

[David Frascone]

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On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 3:00 PM, Bernt Hansen <bernt@norang.ca> wrote:

> Hi David,
>
> Answers are inline.
>
> David Frascone <dave@frascone.com> writes:
>
> > I've been using a lot of the great info at this site
> > (http://doc.norang.ca/org-mode.html) , and I have some questions:
> >
> > When using timestamps, I like the time in there too.  And, I like to
> > stamp every entry, so my status looks nice.  But, I'm having a couple
> > of problems:
> >
> >  1. Can I make all timestamps put the time?  In other words, can I
> >  make C-c ! always do the same thing as C-u C-c !
> >
>
> I use a key binding for this:  f9-t which creates a timestamp like this
> at point.  [2010-05-03 Mon 14:52]  The binding for that is documented at
> http://doc.norang.ca/org-mode.html#sec-15_21
>

Duh.  Sorry.  I thought there would be a way to do it with just a command,
and, at first glance, didn't grok what you were doing with the func.
Consider it stolen.  I'm going to re-map something to it.  I don't like
using Function keys, because when I am using my macbook w/o a keyboard, I
have to hit a Fn button to get those.  But, I'll map it to something.  I do
like your f9 map, so, maybe I'll use M-9 or something like that.



>
> >  2. Where should I put the timestamp?  Where do you guys think it
> >  looks best?  Before the text?  After?  Still getting a feel for
> >  things.
>
> Anywhere in the body of the text works fine for me.  My remember
> templates put the timestamp after the clock drawer
>
>  * TODO blah
>  :CLOCK:...
>  [2010-05-03 Mon 14:59]
>  [[link to stuff]]
>
> but anywhere will work - it's just text.
>

Right.  I understand where it gets put.  But, now I want to add some notes.
Where would you put it?  (And, I know I'm just asking your opinion, because
it is all just text -- I just really like your setup, so I'm using it as my
starting point.

So, for example, here's an entry I took today with a call, refiled it, then
re-edited it.  Names have been changed to protect the guilty

some_company.org:
-----
* Title for issue customer is having
** WAITING Phone %:name - %:Some Company -
:PHONE:WAITING:
   - State "WAITING"    from ""           [2010-05-03 Mon 11:19] \\
     Waiting on data from Customer
   :CLOCK:
   :END:
   Got a call from Customer this am.  He is having problems blah blah.
   Will call him back in 10-15
   Contact Info: 800-555-5555
   [2010-05-03 Mon]
** Talked to Customer again.
[2010-05-03 Mon 11:19]
Conclusion:  Probable Diagnosis here.  Customer is going to reboot and send
me more data.
*** System Information
**** Some System
     1 Gb Data File
     60 Threads
     Other System Data
**** Performance
     9-20 Mb/Sec
**** Configuration
     Raid 0 over 4 drives
     16 Gb RAM
     Blah Blah
**** Symptoms
     computer hangs.  windows Explorer hangs trying to look at filesystem.
-----

So, this was the result of two calls, captured with remember-phone, then
re-filed into the some_company.org file.  I put the datestamps up top, but
I'm not sure if I like them there.
What do you think of that setup?


>
> >
> >  3. Clocking.  That site does a lot of it, and I mostly like it.  But,
> >     I'm not sure how I should clock in in the AM.  Almost always, I
> >     try to enter something quickly with remember, and I haven't
> >     started a clock yet.  I'm considering taking out the timing stuff
> >     now . . . any pointers?
>
> The first thing I do when I clock-in in the morning is hit either f9-o
> or f9-m to clock in my organization or read mail task (depending on
> which one I start first).  From there remember tasks interrupt the clock
> temporarily and clocking continues on whatever I work on until I
> manually clock out.
>
>
I will re-read the clocking portion . . I really like stamping EVERYTHING,
so that I can generate weekly reports easily (This is where I wasted my
time)

I've also got to integrate, somehow, references to my livescribe pen
(annotated conference call notes).  And, it'll be nice to backdate
conference calls so that even if I dont' log them, I can log them later.  I
know I can . . it's just coming up with an easy way to do it.

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Re: Time Stamps?

[Bernt Hansen]

David Frascone <dave@frascone.com> writes:

> On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 3:00 PM, Bernt Hansen <bernt@norang.ca> wrote:
>
>     David Frascone <dave@frascone.com> writes:
>    
>     >  1. Can I make all timestamps put the time?  In other words, can I
>     >  make C-c ! always do the same thing as C-u C-c !
>     >
>    
>     I use a key binding for this:  f9-t which creates a timestamp like this
>     at point.  [2010-05-03 Mon 14:52]  The binding for that is documented at
>     http://doc.norang.ca/org-mode.html#sec-15_21
>
> Duh.  Sorry.  I thought there would be a way to do it with just a
> command, and, at first glance, didn't grok what you were doing with
> the func.  Consider it stolen.  I'm going to re-map something to it. 
> I don't like using Function keys, because when I am using my macbook
> w/o a keyboard, I have to hit a Fn button to get those.  But, I'll map
> it to something.  I do like your f9 map, so, maybe I'll use M-9 or
> something like that.

Steal away :)  I'm sure you can change the function to always put in the
time if that's what you really want to do but there's no configuration
to implement that currently AFAICT.

>     >  2. Where should I put the timestamp?  Where do you guys think it
>     >  looks best?  Before the text?  After?  Still getting a feel for
>     >  things.
>    
>     Anywhere in the body of the text works fine for me.  My remember
>     templates put the timestamp after the clock drawer
>    
>      * TODO blah
>      :CLOCK:...
>      [2010-05-03 Mon 14:59]
>      [[link to stuff]]
>    
>     but anywhere will work - it's just text.
>
> Right.  I understand where it gets put.  But, now I want to add some
> notes.  Where would you put it?  (And, I know I'm just asking your
> opinion, because it is all just text -- I just really like your setup,
> so I'm using it as my starting point.

I just put them at the top and leave them there.  Any further detail is
either inline in the body following it or as notes in a LOGBOOK drawer.
>
> So, for example, here's an entry I took today with a call, refiled it,
> then re-edited it.  Names have been changed to protect the guilty
>
> some_company.org:
> -----
> * Title for issue customer is having
> ** WAITING Phone %:name - %:Some Company -                       :PHONE:WAITING:
>    - State "WAITING"    from ""           [2010-05-03 Mon 11:19] \\
>      Waiting on data from Customer
>    :CLOCK:
>    :END:
>    Got a call from Customer this am.  He is having problems blah blah.
>    Will call him back in 10-15
>    Contact Info: 800-555-5555
>    [2010-05-03 Mon]
> ** Talked to Customer again.
> [2010-05-03 Mon 11:19]
> Conclusion:  Probable Diagnosis here.  Customer is going to reboot and send
> me more data.
> *** System Information
> **** Some System
>      1 Gb Data File
>      60 Threads
>      Other System Data
> **** Performance
>      9-20 Mb/Sec
> **** Configuration
>      Raid 0 over 4 drives
>      16 Gb RAM
>      Blah Blah
> **** Symptoms
>      computer hangs.  windows Explorer hangs trying to look at filesystem.
> -----
>
> So, this was the result of two calls, captured with remember-phone,
> then re-filed into the some_company.org file.  I put the datestamps up
> top, but I'm not sure if I like them there.  What do you think of that
> setup?   

I use the datestamp to record when the remember task was created (ie
when did I first hear about it).  You can probably put it inside a
drawer if you want to hide it -- I've never tried that.  For me it's
just an indication of how old the task is (ie. when the task was
created)

>
>     >
>     >  3. Clocking.  That site does a lot of it, and I mostly like it.  But,
>     >     I'm not sure how I should clock in in the AM.  Almost always, I
>     >     try to enter something quickly with remember, and I haven't
>     >     started a clock yet.  I'm considering taking out the timing stuff
>     >     now . . . any pointers?
>    
>     The first thing I do when I clock-in in the morning is hit either f9-o
>     or f9-m to clock in my organization or read mail task (depending on
>     which one I start first).  From there remember tasks interrupt the clock
>     temporarily and clocking continues on whatever I work on until I
>     manually clock out.
>
> I will re-read the clocking portion . . I really like stamping
> EVERYTHING, so that I can generate weekly reports easily (This is
> where I wasted my time)
>
> I've also got to integrate, somehow, references to my livescribe pen
> (annotated conference call notes).  And, it'll be nice to backdate
> conference calls so that even if I dont' log them, I can log them
> later.  I know I can . . it's just coming up with an easy way to do
> it.

I use clocking data to report or track 'what I worked on and when'.
My clock data is also my timestamp for what I did and I view the results
in log mode in the agenda (C-c a l) and in clock reports for reporting
to the boss.

I clock stuff in all the time and for short periods... things that take
less than a minute to do end up creating empty clock drawers which isn't
all that nice to deal with.  I have a hook that removes those now on
clock-out but I haven't had time to update my org-mode document yet with
the details.  Hopefully I'll get to that soon.

In case you want it the short version is here:

,----
| (defun bh/remove-empty-drawer-on-clock-out ()
|   (interactive)
|   (save-excursion
|     (beginning-of-line 0)
|     (org-remove-empty-drawer-at "CLOCK" (point))))
| 
| (add-hook 'org-clock-out-hook 'bh/remove-empty-drawer-on-clock-out 'append)
| 
`----

Regards,
Bernt

Re: Re: Time Stamps?

[Daniel Martins]

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Bernt,

Thanks for the lessons (I am still studying it!!)

One more "thief" for your list.

Daniel

2010/5/3 Bernt Hansen <bernt@norang.ca>

> David Frascone <dave@frascone.com> writes:
>
> > On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 3:00 PM, Bernt Hansen <bernt@norang.ca> wrote:
> >
> >     David Frascone <dave@frascone.com> writes:
> >
> >     >  1. Can I make all timestamps put the time?  In other words, can I
> >     >  make C-c ! always do the same thing as C-u C-c !
> >     >
> >
> >     I use a key binding for this:  f9-t which creates a timestamp like
> this
> >     at point.  [2010-05-03 Mon 14:52]  The binding for that is documented
> at
> >     http://doc.norang.ca/org-mode.html#sec-15_21
> >
> > Duh.  Sorry.  I thought there would be a way to do it with just a
> > command, and, at first glance, didn't grok what you were doing with
> > the func.  Consider it stolen.  I'm going to re-map something to it.
> > I don't like using Function keys, because when I am using my macbook
> > w/o a keyboard, I have to hit a Fn button to get those.  But, I'll map
> > it to something.  I do like your f9 map, so, maybe I'll use M-9 or
> > something like that.
>
> Steal away :)  I'm sure you can change the function to always put in the
> time if that's what you really want to do but there's no configuration
> to implement that currently AFAICT.
>
> >     >  2. Where should I put the timestamp?  Where do you guys think it
> >     >  looks best?  Before the text?  After?  Still getting a feel for
> >     >  things.
> >
> >     Anywhere in the body of the text works fine for me.  My remember
> >     templates put the timestamp after the clock drawer
> >
> >      * TODO blah
> >      :CLOCK:...
> >      [2010-05-03 Mon 14:59]
> >      [[link to stuff]]
> >
> >     but anywhere will work - it's just text.
> >
> > Right.  I understand where it gets put.  But, now I want to add some
> > notes.  Where would you put it?  (And, I know I'm just asking your
> > opinion, because it is all just text -- I just really like your setup,
> > so I'm using it as my starting point.
>
> I just put them at the top and leave them there.  Any further detail is
> either inline in the body following it or as notes in a LOGBOOK drawer.
> >
> > So, for example, here's an entry I took today with a call, refiled it,
> > then re-edited it.  Names have been changed to protect the guilty
> >
> > some_company.org:
> > -----
> > * Title for issue customer is having
> > ** WAITING Phone %:name - %:Some Company -
> :PHONE:WAITING:
> >    - State "WAITING"    from ""           [2010-05-03 Mon 11:19] \\
> >      Waiting on data from Customer
> >    :CLOCK:
> >    :END:
> >    Got a call from Customer this am.  He is having problems blah blah.
> >    Will call him back in 10-15
> >    Contact Info: 800-555-5555
> >    [2010-05-03 Mon]
> > ** Talked to Customer again.
> > [2010-05-03 Mon 11:19]
> > Conclusion:  Probable Diagnosis here.  Customer is going to reboot and
> send
> > me more data.
> > *** System Information
> > **** Some System
> >      1 Gb Data File
> >      60 Threads
> >      Other System Data
> > **** Performance
> >      9-20 Mb/Sec
> > **** Configuration
> >      Raid 0 over 4 drives
> >      16 Gb RAM
> >      Blah Blah
> > **** Symptoms
> >      computer hangs.  windows Explorer hangs trying to look at
> filesystem.
> > -----
> >
> > So, this was the result of two calls, captured with remember-phone,
> > then re-filed into the some_company.org file.  I put the datestamps up
> > top, but I'm not sure if I like them there.  What do you think of that
> > setup?
>
> I use the datestamp to record when the remember task was created (ie
> when did I first hear about it).  You can probably put it inside a
> drawer if you want to hide it -- I've never tried that.  For me it's
> just an indication of how old the task is (ie. when the task was
> created)
>
> >
> >     >
> >     >  3. Clocking.  That site does a lot of it, and I mostly like it.
> But,
> >     >     I'm not sure how I should clock in in the AM.  Almost always, I
> >     >     try to enter something quickly with remember, and I haven't
> >     >     started a clock yet.  I'm considering taking out the timing
> stuff
> >     >     now . . . any pointers?
> >
> >     The first thing I do when I clock-in in the morning is hit either
> f9-o
> >     or f9-m to clock in my organization or read mail task (depending on
> >     which one I start first).  From there remember tasks interrupt the
> clock
> >     temporarily and clocking continues on whatever I work on until I
> >     manually clock out.
> >
> > I will re-read the clocking portion . . I really like stamping
> > EVERYTHING, so that I can generate weekly reports easily (This is
> > where I wasted my time)
> >
> > I've also got to integrate, somehow, references to my livescribe pen
> > (annotated conference call notes).  And, it'll be nice to backdate
> > conference calls so that even if I dont' log them, I can log them
> > later.  I know I can . . it's just coming up with an easy way to do
> > it.
>
> I use clocking data to report or track 'what I worked on and when'.
> My clock data is also my timestamp for what I did and I view the results
> in log mode in the agenda (C-c a l) and in clock reports for reporting
> to the boss.
>
> I clock stuff in all the time and for short periods... things that take
> less than a minute to do end up creating empty clock drawers which isn't
> all that nice to deal with.  I have a hook that removes those now on
> clock-out but I haven't had time to update my org-mode document yet with
> the details.  Hopefully I'll get to that soon.
>
> In case you want it the short version is here:
>
> ,----
> | (defun bh/remove-empty-drawer-on-clock-out ()
> |   (interactive)
> |   (save-excursion
> |     (beginning-of-line 0)
> |     (org-remove-empty-drawer-at "CLOCK" (point))))
> |
> | (add-hook 'org-clock-out-hook 'bh/remove-empty-drawer-on-clock-out
> 'append)
> |
> `----
>
> Regards,
> Bernt
>
>
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