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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1621522462; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=s/OUraSzqgUrAsquxm78iVjau+mjXhrl4rYI21dzS3I=; b=U+yoRqcb1HEZGGFMwS33Hls5ad+QgOGq7mbuCkapvGHoUEPWPK5i7RJLIG6CbCXLJxeU2+ YKkSoPXlL4VoCgCJJPSKUKD+fVWJnJmGcrvMN5ZGxgkP3rU6W1MmM/WGdBdAMP6q+HJfpV lW5VsZgaMyaZ1Z2r06b1+1PzTh+9+oRjQmOpWfUn02kzYhDah4H91taJmooXeynsasZB9C LCEiUheMZS/MYksDS3KW8gF8kn5I1gVNIrRPHWYrEEatkiGpl+G84d9fBGb3rvb16mQs5U lKfgqpu1GxEN9332XIe3WBgw1BDNz8twBknTRYmaSEtVtvFUp3fH41Bprfm71g== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1621522462; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=jcY/H+H+6Vv6+PBjDvhJDHSx40utWfvrF0L4LAz8eQGz18XdommigrV3j2goHJd3KHOaBN YcJR2gNvYJl+HRW5IEQT1Op5wUmkK/uhT0sQ8WKSCxfHTPRGv/Hou/RDCcxZvcNRbNjsYp /yAJTUpLPqOHSbJF8/gA7MtFabe4pI8KgLmyTTD1+CmddLNXC8pgdzdcrly8yPacGaEgRX nG8RJzRxs1kFG583MeVHPS73midseplgUo9JTdw/09rtfvkotU4hE3gif1E2AicWZHJ0U/ M5Sit/A+JAS4JAX730RKvM/SR+Bu0gMlA5XrERCm2xsjS2lO6fpDjFK8QUaEfA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=mailbox.org header.s=mail20150812 header.b=fwVjVdB1; dkim=pass header.d=mailbox.org header.s=mail20150812 header.b=KFgVJbLD; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=mailbox.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.14 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=mailbox.org header.s=mail20150812 header.b=fwVjVdB1; dkim=pass header.d=mailbox.org header.s=mail20150812 header.b=KFgVJbLD; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=mailbox.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 4BC742331F X-Spam-Score: -3.14 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: lJ1wSmq7PLYy Am 20.05.2021 um 16:11 schrieb Bruce D'Arcus: > On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 9:57 AM Denis Maier wrote: > >>>> I'm not really sure we need bare substyles at all. At least in biblatex >>>> it's the basis for the other commands. >>> >>> Though see my followup message on autocite config. >>> >>> Does that change this discussion? >> >> Why? > > I put it in the form of a question, because I'm not sure, but ... > > 1. I wasn't sure Nicolas was aware of this config option, nor how one > would configure it currently (but it seems necessary in general) No, it's only necessary to configure this if you don't want the defaults. In authoryear styles you have autocite=inline by default In authortitle styles you have autocite=inline by default In verbose styles you have autocite=footnote by default So, if you use an authoryear/authortitle style, but want autocite=footnote you'll have to declare this as a package option. > 2. If you set default to autocite=inline, which is to say the > non-bare/plain style, the issue you note goes away? > Not sure. Autocite* => parencite*, but there's still no cite/bare* then. >> cite/year => \citeyear won't work as this will just print the year >> without wrapping it in parentheses. It also won't trigger the ibid. in >> the next citation. >> cite/bare = \cite would also work in that particular citation, but an >> author might remove the preceding sentence, which will make the ibid. >> disappear. You will then have a regular bare citation (= "Doe 2020", or >> "Doe, Title") instead of just the year or the title in parentheses. > > OK, this is one of those nuances; I need to think on this one. That's obviously an edge case. We can of course choose to start with a reasonable set of styles and extend later. Denis