please, report on current status of orgmode timestamps with timezone

please, report on current status of orgmode timestamps with timezone

[pinmacs]

Hi,

 From #11 OrgMeetup content [1] I see that a date with timestamp and 
timezone is used:

     <2024-09-11 Wed 19:00-21:00 @+03,Europe/Istanbul>

With orgmode version 9.7.10:

1. If I try to to =C-c C-c= minibuffer says: "Not at a timestamp"; well, 
at least, does not try to remove the timezone part
2. Cannot change anything on it with =S-<up>= nor =S-<down>=
3. If I click the timestamp, minibuffer says: "This should not happen"
4. In the org agenda, the event appears in date 2024-09-11 and in my 
local time 19:00-21:00, so, no timezone calculation is done

I saw that there were some discussions about this, but nothing 
consolidated in the documentation, maybe, at some point, it should be 
here [2]

Is this something is going to arrive on 9.8 ? Is this something that 
only works in development version?

Cheers,
pinmacs

[1] https://list.orgmode.org/87o750dja7.fsf@localhost/T/#u
[2] https://orgmode.org/manual/Timestamps.html

Re: please, report on current status of orgmode timestamps with timezone

[Ihor Radchenko]

pinmacs <pinmacs@cas.cat> writes:

>  From #11 OrgMeetup content [1] I see that a date with timestamp and 
> timezone is used:
>
>      <2024-09-11 Wed 19:00-21:00 @+03,Europe/Istanbul>
> ...
> Is this something is going to arrive on 9.8 ? Is this something that 
> only works in development version?

This is an idea we have discussed as a feature request and decided that
we should eventually implement time zone support. We even decided on the
approximate timestamp markup. However, there is no actual code in Org
mode that implements timestamps with time zones. Patches welcome!

See https://list.orgmode.org/87tu063ox2.fsf@localhost/ and the parent
thread for details.

-- 
Ihor Radchenko // yantar92,
Org mode contributor,
Learn more about Org mode at <https://orgmode.org/>.
Support Org development at <https://liberapay.com/org-mode>,
or support my work at <https://liberapay.com/yantar92>

Re: please, report on current status of orgmode timestamps with timezone

[pinmacs]

On 2024-09-22 19:13, Ihor Radchenko wrote:
> pinmacs <pinmacs@cas.cat> writes:
>
>>   From #11 OrgMeetup content [1] I see that a date with timestamp and
>> timezone is used:
>>
>>       <2024-09-11 Wed 19:00-21:00 @+03,Europe/Istanbul>
>> ...
>> Is this something is going to arrive on 9.8 ? Is this something that
>> only works in development version?
> This is an idea we have discussed as a feature request and decided that
> we should eventually implement time zone support. We even decided on the
> approximate timestamp markup. However, there is no actual code in Org
> mode that implements timestamps with time zones. Patches welcome!
>
> See https://list.orgmode.org/87tu063ox2.fsf@localhost/ and the parent
> thread for details.

I am repeatedly seeing this in different places: patches welcome for the 
new timezone orgmode timestamps. But it points to a thread with 366+ 
messages.

I propose to, first off, reduce complexity of the task: Someone should 
summarize that lengthy conversation with the proposed specification.

 From there, we can move it to a worg page, then, we have a easily to 
share link to say, this is what we want, patches welcome.

Re: please, report on current status of orgmode timestamps with timezone

[Ihor Radchenko]

pinmacs <pinmacs@cas.cat> writes:

>> See https://list.orgmode.org/87tu063ox2.fsf@localhost/ and the parent
>> thread for details.
>
> I am repeatedly seeing this in different places: patches welcome for the 
> new timezone orgmode timestamps. But it points to a thread with 366+ 
> messages.
>
> I propose to, first off, reduce complexity of the task: Someone should 
> summarize that lengthy conversation with the proposed specification.

Is the specification provided in
https://list.orgmode.org/87tu063ox2.fsf@localhost/ (that exact message)
not clear?

>  From there, we can move it to a worg page, then, we have a easily to 
> share link to say, this is what we want, patches welcome.

What do you think we should put on that page?

-- 
Ihor Radchenko // yantar92,
Org mode maintainer,
Learn more about Org mode at <https://orgmode.org/>.
Support Org development at <https://liberapay.com/org-mode>,
or support my work at <https://liberapay.com/yantar92>

Re: please, report on current status of orgmode timestamps with timezone

[pinmacs]

On 2024-12-08 14:03, Ihor Radchenko wrote:
> pinmacs <pinmacs@cas.cat> writes:
>
>>> See https://list.orgmode.org/87tu063ox2.fsf@localhost/ and the parent
>>> thread for details.
>> I am repeatedly seeing this in different places: patches welcome for the
>> new timezone orgmode timestamps. But it points to a thread with 366+
>> messages.
>>
>> I propose to, first off, reduce complexity of the task: Someone should
>> summarize that lengthy conversation with the proposed specification.
> Is the specification provided in
> https://list.orgmode.org/87tu063ox2.fsf@localhost/ (that exact message)
> not clear?

Ah ok, finally! I did not know that on that email contained the 
specification. Thank you for clarifying me that.

>>   From there, we can move it to a worg page, then, we have a easily to
>> share link to say, this is what we want, patches welcome.
> What do you think we should put on that page?

First of all, it is optional, so take this as "feedback" from user 
perspective.

Motivation: I disagree that an email from a mailing list should be the 
reference for all orgmode users on the current state of something that 
matters (maybe not for everything). When I search on that topic, I got 
lost, and that's why I asked on the mailing list. From a user-wide 
perspective, it is better if it's a web page (which could source to the 
original email).

What information would be on that page? Right now, just the same 
information that in that email content from "The proposed new timestamp 
syntax" to its end. With a brief introduction saying that this has a 
status of a proposal and patches welcome (when this is already done, it 
could be a page where people can share recipes on timezones).

This looks better and clearer

   https://orgmode.org/worg/timestamp-timezone

Than

   https://list.orgmode.org/87tu063ox2.fsf@localhost/

Of course, on my personal basis, I no longer need that because I already 
know it, but other people might have that question; or maybe not because 
of the additional noise I produced!

And now let me continue with your amazing presentation on emacsconf2024 
about the org update situation. And congratulations on stepping up 
officially as the new org mantainer

Thanks and health,
pinmacs