From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: "Clint Laskowski" Subject: Re: Org-mode and taskpaper Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 06:20:15 -0500 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: clint.laskowski@gmail.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JgeXL-0001gy-M6 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 07:20:19 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JgeXK-0001fS-EO for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 07:20:18 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JgeXK-0001ex-1q for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 07:20:18 -0400 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.184.238]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JgeXJ-0005aQ-PF for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 07:20:17 -0400 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 57so1363525wri.12 for ; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 04:20:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Content-Disposition: inline List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Carsten Dominik Cc: emacs-orgmode Mailinglist My thoughtful suggestion has become the brunt of an April Fool's Joke? I have half a mind to report you all to the Productivity Police! Fine! I'm going back to paper and pencil for to-do lists, and mail, too! We'll see how you like that! :-) On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 2:26 AM, Carsten Dominik wrote: > > Dear all, > > the recent discussion about Taskpaper in the thread started > by Clint Laskowski has made me realize how much we have lost > out way with Org-mode. Org-mode was once a compact and > easy tool just like taskpaper. In fact, looking at the > features of taskpaper, one might think that they had an older > version of Org-mode as model and goal of their development. > > But in the meantime, mostly due to a mountain of demands > from this group, it has become so bloated with mostly > useless features, that all but the most geeky users are > totally confused by this. > > Reading this thread has really cost me a lot of sleep, but > I have now come to the conclusion that we need to turn > the tide and downscope Org-mode significantly. Luckily > I have recently put much effort into splitting org.el > into a number of separate files with separate features. > This allows us a very simple and straight-forward path > for this down-scoping effort. I can simply try to remove > one of these separate files after the other and then see > how much complaining I will get for this. In this way, > we can make this process community-based, but I will > need you to frequently update org-mode and to give me > feedback during the process. > > Those of you who actively follow the git repository > might have noticed that this morning I have started > by removing org-table.el, the file containing the > table editor. Unfortunately this also means that the > clocktable support no longer works, but I have always > considered this as a sickening feature anyway, which > tries to streamline our life, but in fact only leads to > more work, and to more time taken away from spending with > partners, kids and friends. > > I hope that you can all agree with my conclusion. If not, > than I am confident that with time you will realize > just how important today's decision was. > > - Carsten > > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > -- -- Clint Clint Laskowski, CISSP clint.laskowski@gmail.com