From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp1 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms11 with LMTPS id oMLxAPasrV7EHQAA0tVLHw (envelope-from ) for ; Sat, 02 May 2020 17:25:10 +0000 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp1 with LMTPS id YAuqFwCtrV7BcgAAbx9fmQ (envelope-from ) for ; Sat, 02 May 2020 17:25:20 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [IPv6:2001:470:142::17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 89F4C944233 for ; Sat, 2 May 2020 17:25:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:39976 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jUvt6-0004MF-LX for larch@yhetil.org; Sat, 02 May 2020 13:25:16 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:39346) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jUvsg-0004JL-VR for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 02 May 2020 13:24:51 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jUvsf-0001Fy-JT for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 02 May 2020 13:24:50 -0400 Received: from mout-p-103.mailbox.org ([2001:67c:2050::465:103]:61184) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_CHACHA20_POLY1305:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jUvse-0000mh-Ds for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 02 May 2020 13:24:49 -0400 Received: from smtp1.mailbox.org (smtp1.mailbox.org [80.241.60.240]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mout-p-103.mailbox.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49DwwV6yB5zKmXH for ; Sat, 2 May 2020 19:24:42 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=mailbox.org; h= content-transfer-encoding:content-type:content-type:in-reply-to :mime-version:date:date:message-id:from:from:references:subject :subject:reply-to:received; s=mail20150812; t=1588440279; bh=pbS SCKfwndUUitO5bI88jTn21ISnmUF2SqRQxhyoL3A=; b=D8B2hBRotm9DPhU2RxW Z5DXXXDAOlqW/C3EwrAlGtItp6TnT5MxnlpsvL1HJpn/yt8s7KYgIRg2w1Yil7IT lchfAc7uZmMnRKmUo7aOF7FlpSUq3WJDpTuO8OxO2tkhW8tqTktAP8oo9VMH10Hj U+jbJemOmJXkzfxuo/EQPwX5dWTn+U/xvMPdUYEX3Pd+Pa2rxdt+ewIG5oDSOkTb FZomiIvhWm6M90sj4FpLUXFxoXqMWET3hnDgttqLXS616uymEvMAgngGPYmkSApg sqJTQtgRtjDsbekVPvBMQ7m1IUBrrJbxH4D2qOJQlzhfuQCtGkhVwhxEKpUsN1nf /bQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mailbox.org; s=mail20150812; t=1588440281; h=from:from:reply-to:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=NsxJ1/dqnfjT8XY8//po4c9x5OMWGBiEtu10UOe3AwM=; b=BhcC4qgzidVl9LCWdJTmutZMAs4OOww1b3kHXpaexjgw8gD1OSxPDDYTDErNKpyQw8bpk/ LtlA9KSFmtnl2/H5CFCLnV+jLBMUQ3MPWxys7bMlwDZwAOMKVOrezDAm7tVpmcHSkFbDMs ZwEoRwrB6IjCNZxG6MzPH4aGVxDtJrqTAnLwJYR/qCz6ayi++DifEMlChYZ7xBvvSTniy6 0NY96FtlZ6DKbxX4kJzViim2pMWxyNgf5Ho/g5rSjyr8nqDbV4qx5l7dmkGKVpSNlwuwNx 2Q2TV/ma+CvPIF0I+feKwVQatQ2Q3rrA8QByTJW4Ns/OcVG3KP6i88cm4sdDQQ== X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at heinlein-support.de Received: from smtp1.mailbox.org ([80.241.60.240]) by spamfilter01.heinlein-hosting.de (spamfilter01.heinlein-hosting.de [80.241.56.115]) (amavisd-new, port 10030) with ESMTP id NSRRsHJh6rwq for ; Sat, 2 May 2020 19:24:39 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: wip-cite status question and feedback To: Org Mode List References: <777184861.71192.1586510991834@office.mailbox.org> <874kto245n.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <87sgh8zpmg.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <1084456979.81820.1586724551265@office.mailbox.org> <877dykz6ri.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <87r1wrwvam.fsf@fastmail.fm> <87wo6hfg4k.fsf@aquinas> <87v9lx6ju6.fsf@aquinas> <87r1wj7scc.fsf@aquinas> <87lfmjzgeq.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <87h7x7z62q.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <87k11v5zdn.fsf@aquinas> <87368i77nh.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <2fbf14cf-ae8c-4f7c-27f7-33771aa99492@mailbox.org> <87tv0y5m9o.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> From: Denis Maier Message-ID: Date: Sat, 2 May 2020 19:24:37 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <87tv0y5m9o.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: EC3C11889 X-Rspamd-Score: -3.32 / 15.00 / 15.00 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2001:67c:2050::465:103; envelope-from=denis.maier.lists@mailbox.org; helo=mout-p-103.mailbox.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: [-] PROGRAM ABORT : Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). 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I add it again. > >> No, I think that should be fine. (Perhaps also a fourth one for >> author-only. And what about nocite?) > Sorry. I wasn't clear. > > There is still full support for styles behind the suggested syntax, > e.g., [cite/author: ...], [cite/nocite: ...] (this one is odd). I was > pointing out that we cover Citeproc needs, and more. Yeah, and I was pointing out that these might be necessary from a CSL/citeproc perspective. > >> Author in text, the rest in a footnote. > So it is not really a new style; you can have cite-text on top of any > style. This might be a problem. Why? I can't follow you here... > Either we invent an alternate syntax, > with duplicated styles, e.g. > > [cite: ...] [cite/style: ...] > [cite*: ...] [cite*/style: ...] > > this was already suggested in this thread (with "citet"). > > Or we make use of sub-styles, e.g. > > [cite: ...] [cite/foot: ...] > [cite/text: ...] [cite/foot/text: ...] > > This is ambiguous, tho: is it "cite/foot/text" or "cite/text/foot"? > > Of course, this is an issue for BibLaTeX only. AFAIU, [cite/text: ...] > is totally unambiguous for Citeproc. > > What do Bib(La)TeX users think about it? I don't think it's a real problem. In CSL it's really clear. The CSL style defines the overall style, i.e.: cite => "Doe 2020" in parentheses or in a note cite/test => "Doe" in text, "2020" in parentheses or in a note. And I doubt it's a problem for biblatex: cite => autocite (or just cite, but I think autocite is a better choice) cite/text => textcite cite/foot => footcite I don't think duplicate styles or sub-styles are needed. Best, Denis