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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: 51167@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1634113944; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding:resent-cc: resent-from:resent-sender:resent-message-id:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post; bh=8eOMpFIxyuNLwpm5WyQh0Cr8VpUxsDDGXN5Ty/4i9Yw=; b=KyMD/DQ7uXrD0jwniqlMmWLEWZw1jtzLt76sQBV/90lZW/CZYY29RZ37hBHBCqidUpr0Nl KL5aBrPCfYo4bR6nj+x3IzFMXGTM5P1ZUFCSZAOD3k4Np5Ykvkl2443LwODJb9VP9DieCA +EMvVavKFrn1WogMuMpwHAF2ZjNp/28vk0kZhPksPK5cWhPSsh61ZMVOJz0CZjYMkI/pdd 8FtKXBQToE2PEOo05+rz1l2yI0WOh8A9LEoIcnYj7wbiHUNuVsQWU0ArDSij0m+UtD4RRx 1/wLVR4x5q/Iom0oyGljwTRMpCivCJgR4OZQvOoWvez+xFNpnODzEbiJKGXSnA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1634113944; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=b1IA8l0ugzu2E8vOseVBUkyFu8g5az1IWZG6ph8xHVdhiaeW3cyPYHIYRnlLjMQhhcPcZy 6mOefwim8IGzUcXg8E25z5An9RpIAiA5kQz875wLJ5q/GKFqeIUGOWEHRvL2c1KiutGriE ooSM+OnHx6fs8Q2xBlNHbvGODmKe+FuN+XRgazJTXaJVWnBo2p/aGUt0KUZL1qHd6mlpfv FZqxty0SsKFlj2gkV3JAuK24o5EbN6FuexltQ2TcJBZ4c2FNVCa1mWLp7bVHhXUjVrI+AF baHonVjbyxsfjrC7L77evIfFE8xwKllaiLji6QQPr3g1bHwtqhAc/x7yO1W9mA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.81 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 799D8112AF X-Spam-Score: -2.81 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: rY8B88riliC/ On 13.10.21 09:34, Kévin Le Gouguec wrote: > Andreas Röhler writes: > >> Sounds like a chain of confusion. >> >> A command called "indent-line" definitely should indent. > org-indent-line indents just like every indentation function in every > other major mode: if the syntactic convention calls for it, it indents > or de-indents the current line; otherwise it leaves the line untouched. > > Or are you saying you would like org-indent-line to also indent "* bla", > because « a command called "indent-line definitely should indent »? > >> Seems the original coulprit is that unhappy switch of RET and C-j, in >> order to make Emacs "modern". > "Modern" did not factor in; the goal was to have RET and C-j behave > consistently in all major modes. That does not deliver an argument to change the meaning of RET. BTW the costs of such changes are terribly underestimated in Emacs. >> Maybe make RET RET again? > After much discussion on emacs-orgmode, it has been found that a lot of > users expect neither (1) their prose to be indented, nor (2) RET to > indent. > > Since electric-indent-mode is enabled globally in Emacs, Which IMO was another mistake. Preferring a clean editor, which does fancy things only if enabled. > RET indents > according to the major mode's indentation rules. Thus it was decided to > change the default value of org-adapt-indentation, to reflect the > expectations of the Org users who took the time to chime in on the > mailing list to describe their workflow and expectations. > > If you think the default value should be reverted back to t, I suggest > you make your case on emacs-orgmode.