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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: autofrettage Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1617050848; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=Qu2fdsoFhAFq/sODaFHxV6HAptWnhx0ZtLwWTgy07jY=; b=MJ4Th4yt03t2dzREfspMWT87LZMODJMvPz3Y9J6N1niwVZIYGXVI1cp1bjQwIM/V7G1rTn P/C8LcDxNDAojlZukFbtIradoUQnWcvs1rafj3rCitxktvQT8IkH0bN0RdPlWDt9wmX4z4 41Yk+nJHTzpaY8Gj2UxP3F6BmGd+fhwQs9zYZOxu0iK9C6YhB+BlgUPAbO25Q91XdzcpUb XvdFDTQVx3QqbUNt5Uo/8e4nhMUd9rgs67JWVR4dvJq1v/tbgJDNcJifuI+aetnkt62lpS doao89DPI9/W+wozEQxLEK/3t0SDVMZdEwto0M0Bi9Geki+TpCP7iQMwZ+WP0A== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1617050848; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=XeCypGBo+8OBcglHh/5ZuHuK4kJSjYOpOizrpjBHG06ixgzeXeKc4txdl+IMOutL4J4zs0 6KB/T2WdywykCnhErDo6PWNjrWZaqP2zrqXhYP3Zy5GqZcrFupDBihzVapA7TG8YilRLzZ WQfPKkzPFTxr4x76q8v3fDjija8qxC7sPvCfxEA7d5K91RCBXCuF8kA7apLXQaSHOLz9Ng IMSVYwRGzLmMm7Ciza46pVvlhtzKkfW2k6kp5A3h5yx7TK8m202FRhQyB5Hc81MLUGcsie 6lHjJL40guhfMWlT1RDiO2aUPdoUJnDKvbFTIqDYeIEPsHb6g217UmG+9pE8Mw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=protonmail.ch header.s=protonmail header.b=HEvAWYdD; dmarc=pass (policy=quarantine) header.from=protonmail.ch; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.62 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=protonmail.ch header.s=protonmail header.b=HEvAWYdD; dmarc=pass (policy=quarantine) header.from=protonmail.ch; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 5CCECB2E0 X-Spam-Score: -1.62 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: mZqRp8E+iOrK Hi Ypo and the rest of you all, > After some years of using orgmode, and exporting using its defaults, I wo= uld like to take a quality leap and find a way of exporting for life. My op= tions: LaTeX, ODT, HTML. /.../ > How do you think I should spend some hundreds (or thousands) of hours to = achieve maestry exporting my documents? I have some odd thoughts about this. About 30 years ago I worked for a start-up company. As a young engineer, fr= eshly hooked on LaTeX, I tried to convince my colleagues we should produce = the users' manuals for our product with LaTeX. Since persuasive speech is n= ot one of my strengths, they opted for Word 5. For various reasons I stayed for only a few years. Recently I visited them,= and heard that the users' manuals had been ported hither and thither betwe= en various wysiwyg DTP programs. They are now back in Word, and my former c= olleagues didn't even remember the documents had started their journey ther= e! If they only had listened to me in the beginning! The moral seems to be that whatever time and effort you plow into learning = LaTeX, will not be wasted. Chances are that LaTeX will be there in thirty y= ears' time, working roughly the same as now. Roughly. At a fine grain level, LaTeX -- not to speak about Org Mode -- is = a moving target. How on earth can you hope for attaining mastery at exporti= ng documents? Many individuals are continuously refining these tools, so th= e mere mortals among us will always fight a losing battle keeping up. Late adoption is a great trick for making life a bit easier. Postpone teach= ing yourself the latest tricks, until other friendly internet citizens have= had time to write streamlined explanations ;-) Last but not least, think like Bruce Lee: =E2=80=9CYou must be shapeless, formless, like water. When you pour water i= n a cup, it becomes the cup. When you pour water in a bottle, it becomes th= e bottle. When you pour water in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Water can= drip and it can crash. Become like water my friend.=E2=80=9D* So, teach yourself whatever you need now (where "now" includes a foreseeabl= e future). Cheers Rasmus * LaTeX =3D ninjutsu, ODT =3D boxing, HTML =3D kick in the groin?