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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.36 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=isnotmyreal.name header.s=default header.b=bqdMBg9E; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: BA9C315A76 X-Spam-Score: -1.36 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: lGpC0N1BPoaF On 2021-02-04 12:45, Kévin Le Gouguec wrote: > Raoul Comninos writes: > >> I noticed a change in org since I updated to the latest version when >> it >> comes to automatic indentation. I prefer to turn this off globally, >> including for lists. I have tinkered with various settings but have >> had >> no luck so far. > > ORG-NEWS provides these hints: > >> To get the previous behaviour back, disable ~electric-indent-mode~ >> explicitly: >> >> #+begin_src emacs-lisp >> (add-hook 'org-mode-hook (lambda () (electric-indent-local-mode -1))) >> #+end_src >> >> Alternatively, if you wish to keep =RET= as the "smart-return" key, >> but dislike Org's default indentation of sections, you may prefer to >> customize ~org-adapt-indentation~ to either =nil= or ='headline-data=. > > Normally I would recommend customizing org-adapt-indentation over > disabing electric-indent-local-mode, but if you'd rather move back to > column 0 when hitting RET in a list, the hook is probably the way to > go. I have been struggling with this as well. After reading this email, I gave it another try. Unfortunately, unless I am doing something wrong, none of these options seem to really restore the previous behavior. I have set ~org-adapt-indentation~ to ~'headline-data~, and now pressing RET goes to column 0. However, unfortunately, TAB now no longer jumps to the indentation level of the previous block (for example, so I can insert a code block or other block structure into a plain list at the correct level). I am finding all of this /extremely/ annoying, and if I am being honest, quite obnoxious behavior, which is the last thing I usually expect from Emacs. Cheers, TRS-80