From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: "Eddward DeVilla" Subject: Re: Re: Org-mode 'organized' visibility Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 15:17:32 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20060823131338.GA32711@zoidberg.homeip.net> <90638e0b9c5926bff62ebdb050997516@science.uva.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GGLdz-0000FG-31 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 16:17:39 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GGLdw-000090-3E for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 16:17:37 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GGLdu-00007Z-Ib for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 16:17:34 -0400 Received: from [66.249.92.168] (helo=ug-out-1314.google.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GGLm2-0003Ws-Bf for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 16:25:58 -0400 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id u2so671208uge for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 13:17:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <90638e0b9c5926bff62ebdb050997516@science.uva.nl> Content-Disposition: inline List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Carsten Dominik Cc: Casper Gripenberg , emacs-orgmode I don't know if I'm following or not. I think I get the grouping you are after. If trailing blank line are empty it does not collapse into the text for a heading. If it is blank, but contains white space character, it does collapse. So I am able to do the following ------ * heading I have something to say *heading 2 I have more to say * unrelated heading Now for something completely different ------ And this will collapse down to ------ * heading * heading 2 * unrelated heading ------ Along these lines, I used to wish for something like a horizontal line that I could throw in between 'sections'. For the moment, I have a layout style that looks fine without it and without playing too many games with trailing blank (but not empty) lines. On 8/24/06, Carsten Dominik wrote: > Hi Caspar, > > On Aug 23, 2006, at 15:13, Casper Gripenberg wrote: > > > Hi..is it possible to not make S-TAB collapse > > empty spaces between items. If I have a long > > list of items I like to organize them into > > groups..and then when I collapse the whole > > tree I'd like my groupings it to be visible like this: > > > > * Tasks... > > > > * Something important... > > * Something related to above... > > > > * Something else not related... > > * Again related... > > * Related... > > > > * Not related... > > > > Instead of the current way: > > > > * Tasks... > > * Something important... > > * Something related to above... > > * Something else not related... > > * Again related... > > * Related... > > * Not related... > > > > ..which doesn't allow me to see the groupings > > between the tasks I have. I just think grouping provides > > much quicker visual feedback of the tasks/headlines and > > their relations to each other. > > > > To implement the groupings you might have a rule that > > more than two empty lines between two headings will > > then activate 'grouping'. > > > > So if I have: > > > > * Important > > > > Blah blah > > > > * Related > > > > Blah blah > > > > > > * Not related > > > > This would collapse into: > > > > * Important... > > * Related... > > > > * Not related... > > > > Or something along those lines..is that possible to > > do somehow? > > > > Thanks.. > > > > Regards, > > Casper > > This is something outside the direct control of Org-mode, it is > entirely done by outline-mode. Looking at outline.el, I see two > possibilities to address this: > > 1. For this first one, you need a current version of Emacs (must be > CVS, Emacs 21 does not have this). Outline has an undocumented feature > which makes it possible to relate an empty line before a heading to the > heading. So when the heading is shown, the empty line is shows along > with it. Similarly, a subtree is then defined to be before that empty > line. As I said, this is an undocumented feature in so far as the > corresponding variable is not customizable. However, you can still set > it in the old way using > > (setq outline-blank-line t) > > If you do it in this way, there will be no difference between a single > or a double empty line. An empty line before a heading will create an > empty line in the CONTENT and CHILDREN views of org-cycle. > > 2. If we insist on your convention on using two line to mark a > separation (we should, because it is the better convention), you would > have to redefine a function in outline. This is not clean, but who > gives a s*** :-) And I like this convention better, because I very > often want to have an empty line above a headline without it meaning a > separation. > > The function to modify is outline-show-heading, and it must be modified > after outline.el has been loaded. If you are only using outline in > connection with Org-mode, here is a way to do this: > > (add-hook 'org-load-hook > (lambda () > (defun outline-show-heading () > "Show the current heading and move to its end." > (outline-flag-region > (- (point) > (cond > ((bobp) 0) > ((equal (buffer-substring > (max (point-min) (- (point) 3)) (point)) > "\n\n\n") > 2) > (t 1))) > (progn (outline-end-of-heading) (point)) > nil)))) > > If you want this for other uses of outline as well, you could use > `eval-after-load' or defadvice to achieve this change. > > There is a small possibility that doing either of these things might > break something else in org-mode. I don't think so, but maybe I am not > overseeing it fully. If you see something strange, let me know. > > Hope this helps. > > - Carsten > > > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode >