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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1625779935; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=RamtKoTTBO8ZmSN9zk36FhEz993mjU2L/AasyAIl9ws=; b=j417Jwgp7aUHY/LVf/uAFTNR2qeVPXuUItlHQjqRInwo7KydU37XjCPiV8Po0uv7rv/DTI v7C5kt/2NJvvdd5hSep1XtlG3R+Hlah/BX/y0iQVd22UkROicWbTWbYpl7EY71KhHe0NaJ 1E/m1CwqK16aeNAVL3AonZZcr/0TpeAL5JPe1Nei8uafFbhtQpVUo6/7oAkzA831uHEi4D iTgM8KHV3gmWdC9JHaPYRG1tC7YarZR3lyDomDPxY/htZjIJMBC69JggTCsXSvZgLfWX/U Mo+FUFZ4xethmKoKjRPyGYHjrb+JG0+LLCDwGrON4GW4Ba6+o+uOBJzIBp3tqQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1625779935; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=uUA8UJ1H5lydxH4eO0sDCKzSuczPzxrLKBLDvEuKO9kbtOdZXV7xAsJnaGzVVX0HDQAO6d raOuTM7sK0pHs7sRafDrPIKtsdH6jNEn78g6tYXaVoCScM8FOUo0tHunNyBmWAinaXsPxf ryHeGR5BvHBHHudx0dF731BuSN5jjsIraDNdY/kdobq6yASsI6YUgdpeBBXQdb5UJlr5aQ AIgobFFuj/eFiIEQKNKn32/heP6EOuizTCaIIX/z+snfnKpF2vQZgqfRo3phYBm7yU+W6h ZORqpdLOg5pk2a3nBswqILfnQuPPLEvD3GRr5ANBLfyEyxwWxhxVdoJGzLZq8A== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=pobox.com header.s=sasl header.b=qo5z2pMG; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.11 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=pobox.com header.s=sasl header.b=qo5z2pMG; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=pobox.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: A644D15C78 X-Spam-Score: -2.11 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: T8mxfXHeQh2O On 8 July 2021, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: > And the implementation challenges raised by John Kitchin and Joost > Kremers (namely the candidate list is different) make this better to > deal with using a different mechanism. > > As a package developer that supports org-cite, I really don't want to > be worrying about internal references and such. > > And as a user, I don't see the benefit of doing so. > > Effectively, these seem more like org internal links. I agree with all this. Personally, I'd never expect a citation system like this to handle internal references. The way librarians think about citations and referencing, these are different. Bill -- William Denton https://www.miskatonic.org/ Librarian, artist and licensed private investigator.