From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: "Daniel Clemente" Subject: Example of thesis in org-mode and LaTeX Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 03:14:11 +0100 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IzNIf-0001aK-Pz for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 21:14:17 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IzNIe-0001Zv-BI for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 21:14:17 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IzNIe-0001Zo-1d for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 21:14:16 -0500 Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com ([209.85.134.188]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IzNId-00039g-IY for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 21:14:15 -0500 Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id i2so452983mue for ; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 18:14:12 -0800 (PST) Content-Disposition: inline List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode Hi, * intro ;(warning: orgstruct-powered e-mail...) I recently published my final thesis, written entirely with org-mode: - description of the thesis: http://www.danielclemente.com/disk/disk.en.htm= l - direct link to PDF: http://www.danielclemente.com/disk/disk.de.pdf - source file: http://www.danielclemente.com/disk/disk.de.org I started writing it in LyX but after some months I changed to org-mode. It was a risky change since org-export-as-latex was still in development, but thanks to Bastien all bugs were quickly fixed. It's not a complex document (no images, no formulas) but has lists, footnotes, bibliography (references) and other embedded LaTeX (including the preamble in a local variable). I haven't tried yet exporting it as HTML. ** experiences The change was really worth it: *** integration I could do everything inside emacs. That means, even without mouse, using my favourite key combinations. And with an integrated browser where I could look up words in the dictionary. *** outline The outlining function of org-mode was the most useful. It's wonderful seeing 60 pages condensed in one and at the same time being able to change each detail without much trouble. A problem was that each header doesn't give information about how much text it contains: at the outline you can see =84Point 1" and =84Point 2", but you don't notice that for instance that =84Point 1" contains just half page and =84Point 2" four pages; and that was important for me since I had to control the number of pages per section. *** tasks I could also track tasks. Each section started as some notes in Spanish, then I would translate it to German, and finally ask some German native speaker to revise the text. Each item went through =84write"->=84translate"->=84correct"->=84done". To track translations and corrections I used an additional section and normal lists. I didn't use properties at each trackable section because that was slower than copying the overview to a piece of paper and drawing possible distributions of the work there. This was because the assignments were complex to describe: ex. a person was correcting point 3 --except 3.2-- and point 4; another one was correcting 3.1, 3.3, 3.4 and 5 but just after point 3.3 is completely translated; etc. And I wanted to distribute work evenly; therefore I needed to write at each section how many pages it took. And this was easier with a =84piece of paper", especially it didn't require much time to optimize. If I had to do this again, I would invest more time on learning =84org-columns", since it provides a similar approach to what I did in the paper: for each section there's a column =84person assigned for translation" and =84person assigned for revision". ** Problems Problems I had with org-mode: - bugs or missing features of org-export-latex: but all which I reported where corrected by Bastien - the syntax of org-mode hindered me from doing what I wanted: - I couldn't write *1* *2* *3* etc. - it took a lot of hacks to write a number in brackets: [1] - things =84like *this*" didn't work out of the box (and reached unnoticed the final version) - the processing of some characters wasn't very clear: ~ # \ $ etc. gave export problems Many of these syntax problems were already corrected ** end I hope that this encourages others to write more long articles with org-mode. It's possible and very comfortable; and the more work there is, the more it helps! Thanks for org-mode, Daniel